Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by mikerg87 » Thu, Feb 16, 2012, 2:35 PM UTC

But where is the Mac Touch hardware ? you could see for a while where touch was it and we have these nice laptops and big iMac displays but we will use a mouse ?! I really want my next imac to be a docking station with a tear away tablet

Windows 8 is definately banking having this sort of hardware in laptops and displays being available. You dont do Metro on the desktop unless you think that kind of hardware will be available in some form at launch. Metro with a mouse is hideous, even for Microsoft...

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by saturdaysaint » Thu, Feb 16, 2012, 2:35 PM UTC

-I'd probably pay $30 for the Airplay feature alone. -I don't know how Apple thinks they can push these web-enabled apps that only work on their platforms. A chat app that basically only lets you interact with Apple customers is kind of comical. -Gatekeeper won't win over any Apple critics, but it's actually more flexible/open than what a lot of people feared was coming (ie "App Store apps only"). -Notifications and system-wide share buttons are nice touches. I wonder if the share button will be limited to a few Apple-approved services.

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by va_coder » Thu, Feb 16, 2012, 2:37 PM UTC

pilif wrote: post #13

It seems like the OS is either defaulting to allowing only only App Store applications or at least only (Apple-)signed applications: http://www.apple.com/macosx/mountain-lion/security.html It's still possible to turn this off, but I have a feeling that we should enjoy our freedom to run GNU grep instead of BSD grep for as long as it lasts.

Will someone from Canonical team up with someone like Samsung to create a kick-ass, no hassle Linux laptop with a decent battery life? I've got money I'm dying to give you!

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by ddagradi » Thu, Feb 16, 2012, 2:37 PM UTC

zrgiu_ wrote: post #7

is there a specific reason they needed to update the entire OS for this ? Most of the new features are actually apps, and the rest wouldn't really justify a major version change.

Don't forget all the API changes that present themselves with each new major version. For example, Notifications, GameCenter and Twitter are all new core libraries on the Mac that are accessible to developers.

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by oinksoft » Thu, Feb 16, 2012, 2:38 PM UTC

pilif wrote: post #13

It seems like the OS is either defaulting to allowing only only App Store applications or at least only (Apple-)signed applications: http://www.apple.com/macosx/mountain-lion/security.html It's still possible to turn this off, but I have a feeling that we should enjoy our freedom to run GNU grep instead of BSD grep for as long as it lasts.

This is a scary preview of Apple's vision of desktop computing (which we all anticipated with the App Store being brought over from the iPhone world to the desktop):

The safest place to find apps for your Mac is the Mac App Store. That’s because the developers who create them are known to Apple, and the apps are carefully reviewed before they’re accepted in the store.

As I've had no reason to upgrade my home PC from 10.6 to 10.7, EOL for 10.6 will probably be when I ditch the Mac and just dual-boot Linux and Windows. It's really amazing how much Apple has changed since the pre-OSX days.

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Feb 16, 2012, 2:38 PM UTC

smackfu wrote: post #23

127001brewer wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very interesting. From the features list at the bottom: *It’s a new Mac experience in China. OS X Mountain Lion brings all-new support for many popular Chinese services. And they’re easy to set up. Mail, Contacts, and Calendar work with QQ, 163, and 126. Baidu, the leading Chinese search provider, is a built-in option in Safari. The video-sharing websites Youku and Tudou are included in the new Share Sheets, so users…

I'm surprised there wasn't a China Twitter equivalent baked in. Or do they just use Twitter?

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Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by herge » Thu, Feb 16, 2012, 2:38 PM UTC

va_coder wrote: post #33

pilif wrote: post #13

It seems like the OS is either defaulting to allowing only only App Store applications or at least only (Apple-)signed applications: http://www.apple.com/macosx/mountain-lion/security.html It's still possible to turn this off, but I have a feeling that we should enjoy our freedom to run GNU grep instead of BSD grep for as long as it lasts.

Will someone from Canonical team up with someone like Samsung to create a kick-ass, no hassle Linux laptop with a decent battery life? I've got money I'm dying to give you!

2012 will be the year for Linux on the desktop!

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by jws » Thu, Feb 16, 2012, 2:38 PM UTC

pilif wrote: post #13

It seems like the OS is either defaulting to allowing only only App Store applications or at least only (Apple-)signed applications: http://www.apple.com/macosx/mountain-lion/security.html It's still possible to turn this off, but I have a feeling that we should enjoy our freedom to run GNU grep instead of BSD grep for as long as it lasts.

That middle option, the default, is Developer Signed applications. Apple keeps the keyring and can torch the developer's key if they go rogue, but the developer does the signing.

The model essentially matches Debian package distribution.

(And as mentioned by oomkiller, this won't go down to unix, it is just the "application" launching.)

Edit: pilaf's reply got down voted into oblivion. What he suggests is flawed because applications are not in your PATH. But in the spirit, your application could write malware into somewhere on the PATH, and could find an exploit to get the setuid bit turned on. As soon as someone realizes this, Apple should kill your signing key thereby blocking the distribution vector. It will not help in cleaning up the mess. The victim is still looking at an "erase disk, reinstall, restore backup DATA ONLY!" recovery as they should anytime they lose control of a machine.

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by sjwright » Thu, Feb 16, 2012, 2:39 PM UTC

gue5t wrote: post #27

pilif wrote: post #13

It seems like the OS is either defaulting to allowing only only App Store applications or at least only (Apple-)signed applications: http://www.apple.com/macosx/mountain-lion/security.html It's still possible to turn this off, but I have a feeling that we should enjoy our freedom to run GNU grep instead of BSD grep for as long as it lasts.

I wonder how long it'll take crackers to get their hands on a master signing key.

About as long as it took them to get their hands on the iPhone master signing key, I'd wager.

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by davidcollantes » Thu, Feb 16, 2012, 2:40 PM UTC

saturdaysaint wrote: post #32

-I'd probably pay $30 for the Airplay feature alone. -I don't know how Apple thinks they can push these web-enabled apps that only work on their platforms. A chat app that basically only lets you interact with Apple customers is kind of comical. -Gatekeeper won't win over any Apple critics, but it's actually more flexible/open than what a lot of people feared was coming (ie "App Store apps only"). -Notifications and…

Related to this, all my friends and family are already using an Apple product (referring to either iPhone, iPad or a Mac, or all inclusive). Really, everyone I know is. A chat app (and any other) that let me interact with them is perfect.