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The Work of the Audiobook

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Re: The Work of the Audiobook

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Car journeys with the kids (and dog walks) are saved by good quality audio books (Stephen Fry reading Harry Potter and David Tenant reading the How to Train Your Dragon books are standout favourites). Its one of those rare areas where it's still crucial to have a trained and thinking human behind it - vocal ticks and pronunciation quirks are part of the charm. I think an AI reading would be sterile and produce an unp…

Voice synthesis AI has gotten pretty impressive: https://www.audiostory.ai/2065785/12139903-a-fragment-from-t...

I listen to a lot of audiobooks and have definitely sampled some with narrators I found harder to listen to than that.

That said, there’s a sort of droning evenness to the voice that makes me unsure I’d want to listen to an entire book’s worth, and the voice reading Gatsby is way better than the voice reading Alice in Wonderland, which I definitely couldn’t listen through.

Re: The Work of the Audiobook

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I don't know - I struggle to remember what I've read half the time. I listen to audio books while walking, and even now I can recall learning about King John (and there reason there has not been a king names John since him in the UK) while walking along the beach. As I do the walk again, similar parts of that book and others return to me. But might just be me!

Sometimes I pass a place I've passed before while listening to an audiobook and have an immediate recall of what I was listening to at the time. It's like the place is associated with what I heard at the time.

Yes! Me too! A quite inadvertent side-effect of audiobook listening on the go, you end up accidentally creating 'memory palaces'. On the other hand, if you tune out somewhat the story continues without you so sometimes you can end up missing a fair bit.

Re: The Work of the Audiobook

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I divide my listening time between audiobooks and podcasts. One thing that audiobooks have enabled me to do, that I probably never would have gotten around to do on my own (even as I do own the books), is to read classics like Rabelais' Gargantua or Mallory's Le Morte d'Arthur.

except when its an audiobook chances are you're gonna remember much less of it at least thats my experience

Interesting. My experience is the opposite. If I’ve listened to a book, especially for fiction, I’ll typically remember it completely. Whereas if I read it in text, the chances are not as good.

Re: The Work of the Audiobook

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Car journeys with the kids (and dog walks) are saved by good quality audio books (Stephen Fry reading Harry Potter and David Tenant reading the How to Train Your Dragon books are standout favourites). Its one of those rare areas where it's still crucial to have a trained and thinking human behind it - vocal ticks and pronunciation quirks are part of the charm. I think an AI reading would be sterile and produce an unp…

Voice synthesis AI has gotten pretty impressive: https://www.audiostory.ai/2065785/12139903-a-fragment-from-t... I listen to a lot of audiobooks and have definitely sampled some with narrators I found harder to listen to than that. That said, there’s a sort of droning evenness to the voice that makes me unsure I’d want to listen to an entire book’s worth, and the voice reading Gatsby is way better than the voice read…

A serial fiction book I read has only text but I still want an audio book. It takes a little bit to get used to but with text to speech, your mind figures it out and starts to put emotion in the monotone voice. It's not as good as a real narrator but Google's text to speech is maybe 60-70% as doable

Re: The Work of the Audiobook

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know - I struggle to remember what I've read half the time. I listen to audio books while walking, and even now I can recall learning about King John (and there reason there has not been a king names John since him in the UK) while walking along the beach. As I do the walk again, similar parts of that book and others return to me. But might just be me!

Sometimes I pass a place I've passed before while listening to an audiobook and have an immediate recall of what I was listening to at the time. It's like the place is associated with what I heard at the time.

Me too! It's fun, when an impactful event happens in the story and it's fixed

Re: The Work of the Audiobook

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Audiobooks' recent history surprises me. I expected that if they continued to grow, audiobooks' and written books would undergo speciation. Books are a medium. Audiobooks are a different medium. Film may have dabbled in being recorded theatre... but it didn't remain there for long. No one watches recorded plays. Audiobooks have, mostly, stayed just audio versions of the book. It's just surprising that audiobook liste…

> "Imagine how lame a podcast version of time magazine would be, with an audiobook-like, minimalist adaptation. About as good as watching a recorded play."

In fact, the minimalist podcast version of The Economist magazine (technically a weekly newspaper) is very good, where presenters read articles word-by-word. In 2018, "only 10 percent of its app users listen to audio, but they tend to be very loyal." [1] I'm one of the regular listeners, because otherwise, I find it much more difficult to keep up with the magazine (it's easy to listen to while exercising or commuting, but when I have the free time to sit down and read, I usually prefer enjoying my time some other way).

Similarly, The New Yorker and The Atlantic also have audio versions of a good number of their articles, too. Out of all the publications mentioned, The New Yorker's audio recordings sound to me, with the most distinctive with music and a radio drama-like voice actor. But overall, the adaptations are essentially indiscriminate from the written word.

The goal of recorded news and magazine readings to understand the material to roughly have the same experience as the readers, where you can have your hands free to focus on something else. I never choose the audio version of the news because it's more entertaining, but rather because it's more convenient. So, the focus is on utility more than entertainment, though the material itself can be interesting.

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Perhaps that is why audiobook listeners generally don't have a distinct taste apart from book readers. If the audiobook deviates noticeably from the content of a book, it no longer becomes an audiobook, but an adaptation inspired by the source material. Then, book readers and audiobook listeners can no longer closely relate, due to the changes in the story.

At most, I do like audiobooks with a narrator with great voice acting to differentiate between the characters—for example, in an audiobook for Jane Austen's "Emma," the voice actor sounded very different for Emma & Harriet, and , Mr. Knightley & Frank Churchhill. The audiobook can also deviate from the source material in this sense, as the emotions expressed in dialogue are interpretations of the writer's intention (like the famous acting of "Harry, did you put your name in the Goblet of Fire?" in the film versus the book).

But once more, if the audiobook deviates too much, the reader can feel cheated as the experience is too different from the original material. At that point of deviation, a producer would best promote this as a "re-imagining"—which would be fairly separate from the original.

[1] https://digiday.com/media/economists-new-app-tries-keep-peop...

Re: The Work of the Audiobook

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The interesting and fascinating thing about audiobooks is that we will likely within the next 1-2 years have essentially complete generative AI produced versions of everything imaginable, meaning that the definition of book and audiobook will become one and the same.

I don't think thats the case. _good_ audiobooks require the reader to have consistent voices for each character, express the correct emotion for the particular scene, and intone some sort of personality into the book. A good example is Kobna Holdbrook-Smith ( https://www.audible.co.uk/pd/Rivers-of-London-Audiobook/B004... listen to the free sample) He makes the characters different, and the main character PC grant co…

I think the 1-2 years estimate is a bit short. Right now, a computer can create a droning audiobook out of a written book. Within the next few years, generative models will create cheap mediocre audiobooks.

But the technology is changing very rapidly. I would expect that by 2030 generative models will have the ability to produce some very good audio. Possibly on par with professional human voice actors.

Re: The Work of the Audiobook

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Recently I wanted an audiobook version of a book I was going to read, but it didn't exist. I put this together using Coqui-TTS and the voice sounds really good. It's not as good as Eleven Labs, but it's far better than anything else I had previously heard.

https://github.com/aedocw/epub2tts

If anyone knows of better TTS synthesizers that I could use please let me know!

Re: The Work of the Audiobook

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Audiobooks' recent history surprises me. I expected that if they continued to grow, audiobooks' and written books would undergo speciation. Books are a medium. Audiobooks are a different medium. Film may have dabbled in being recorded theatre... but it didn't remain there for long. No one watches recorded plays. Audiobooks have, mostly, stayed just audio versions of the book. It's just surprising that audiobook liste…

I listen to a lot of audiobooks (I have about 1000 in Audible alone). I’ve also read 1000 or so books in print. For me it’s become equivalent to reading print. My brain takes it in the same way. I now don’t remember if I read a book in print or listened to it. This didn’t happen at first, it took a while to get here. But at this point the medium is transparent to me.

Re: The Work of the Audiobook

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I recently really gotten into the „Dungeon Crawler Carl“ series. It’s format really only appeals to me as audio - I would have never read the books.

If you like litRPG and some adult content/jokes are ok and you are not annoyed about the non-strict RPG elements, I can't recommend this series enough: Everybody-Loves-Large-Chests series by Neven Iliev I'd also love to hear some litRPG recommendations from others.

I'd probably give a more strong warning than just "some adult content/jokes" for this series.

Maybe you're just desensitized or forgot how bad it can get at times, but it features a lot of extremely graphic sexual content that would, quite frankly, make most people uncomfortable at best, actually ill at worst. I can't really think of a trigger warning that doesn't apply to this series.

I did enjoy the series despite those things, but it's doing people a disservice to not give a heads up about how extreme it is when recommending it.

Sorry for the bluntness of my reply, I appreciate you starting a recommendation thread! Just wanted to warn people that it's quite a few steps beyond most smut for the scenes that do include adult content.

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