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Three Companies Impersonated Millions to Influence Internet Policy

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Re: Three Companies Impersonated Millions to Influence Internet Policy

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I’m pretty sure all citizens are able to get government issued ID

There are areas that you have to pay for ID which disenfranchises the voters who can't afford it

Where are these places where potential voters can't afford ID and how do they do any of the other things that typically require photo ID?

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/24-things-that-require-a-...

Re: Three Companies Impersonated Millions to Influence Internet Policy

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Why would companies becoming more centralized make "putting your money where your mouth is" less effective?

Because they will start to have a monopoly and consumer choice will be so little, that you can’t avoid them.

I think this is a miscommunication. You interpret nine_k's phrase "putting your money where your mouth is" as meaning "buying only from companies you support", but I think nine_k actually meant "having public comments require payment".

Re: Three Companies Impersonated Millions to Influence Internet Policy

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Puts on conspiracy hat What if killing net neutrality was a given, but the administration wanted the appearance of due process… God, I’ve grown jaded.

I remember back then, it was abundantly clear that this is what it was. Ajit Pai was against it. He’s a corporate shill. They were doing stuff deliberately to sour the process. Also, like 100% of the fake comments were against net neutrality, which was quite telling. The fake comments weren’t even spread in a believable way. The times look very much bot generated. Simple stuff to filter out if you were honest.

I try to ignore the message of bad-faith content instead of penalizing the person who it seems to favor. Otherwise you enable false flag attacks.

Re: Three Companies Impersonated Millions to Influence Internet Policy

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There are areas that you have to pay for ID which disenfranchises the voters who can't afford it

Where are these places where potential voters can't afford ID and how do they do any of the other things that typically require photo ID? https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/24-things-that-require-a-...

>how do they do any of the other things that typically require photo ID?

When they are poor enough they either don't or have incredibly limited funds. I'm not sure what you don't understand about this

Re: Three Companies Impersonated Millions to Influence Internet Policy

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Where are these places where potential voters can't afford ID and how do they do any of the other things that typically require photo ID? https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/24-things-that-require-a-...

>how do they do any of the other things that typically require photo ID? When they are poor enough they either don't or have incredibly limited funds. I'm not sure what you don't understand about this

I just have a really hard time believing there is a large group of individuals without ID when it is essentially mandatory for modern life as an adult. I also am having difficulty believing that the usually less than $25 fee for government issued ID is an obstacle to anyone.

Personally I think a verified voter ID should be both required (so as to prevent voter fraud) and provided freely to everyone.

Re: Three Companies Impersonated Millions to Influence Internet Policy

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>how do they do any of the other things that typically require photo ID? When they are poor enough they either don't or have incredibly limited funds. I'm not sure what you don't understand about this

I just have a really hard time believing there is a large group of individuals without ID when it is essentially mandatory for modern life as an adult. I also am having difficulty believing that the usually less than $25 fee for government issued ID is an obstacle to anyone. Personally I think a verified voter ID should be both required (so as to prevent voter fraud) and provided freely to everyone.

All that means is that you have an incredibly limited perspective shaped by your personal experiences. I would urge you to talk to people who are living on the streets or who work one or more minimum wage jobs to raise a family

Re: Three Companies Impersonated Millions to Influence Internet Policy

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Democracy is far, far, far more than just mere voting and that fact that you believe this basically just proves the original point.

Comments that have no legal force (because they're not actually required to respond or respect them) surely aren't. There's other situations like community meetings for land use that are far more democratic. Although, those are mostly bad, because it means only people with lots of free time can attend them!

Yet public commentary was requested and even required to be evaluated. Therefor, fraud existed. Either is was the US government implying this was a democratic process, or the perpetrators of identity theft committed a crime. Which was it?

Re: Three Companies Impersonated Millions to Influence Internet Policy

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> and I feel fortunate to have been born in New Zealand Just make sure you don't have the wrong opinions. Such as not going with the medical coercion and banning of civil rights that occured from 2020. Oh, my bad, that authoranianism is good and they deserved it - Signed, Mr G.

There are places that were welding people's homes shut at that point. Do you suggest we move away from democracy or try to fix the failings of our systems?

> There are places that were welding people's homes shut at that point.

Yes. Many places including new Zealand did unthinkable authortiarian things. Easily could be classified as torture.

> Do you suggest we move away from democracy or try to fix the failings of our systems?

How on earth did you arrive at "move away from democracy"?

Also, the coercive and sometimes violent authortiarianism perpetrated by govs with media/big tech collaboration (who saw massive profits from lockdowns) had little to do with democracy. In fact, extreme powers that go against different constituinal documents were enacted in the most damaging security theater ever.

Re: Three Companies Impersonated Millions to Influence Internet Policy

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"An investigation by the Office of the Attorney General (OAG) found that the fake comments used the identities of millions of consumers, including thousands of New Yorkers, without their knowledge or consent." $615k seems like a slap on the wrist for what they did.

I kinda refuse to believe the US gov doesn't undertake astroturfing for its own needs

Re: Three Companies Impersonated Millions to Influence Internet Policy

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> This isn't a meaningful tautology. "The system is unjust because it is unjust and therefore must always be unjust." > We can and should improve society. We should, but what makes you think that we can?

I've seen amazing progress over my lifetime, and I see enormous potential in current social movements. It's not guaranteed, and I see incredibly destructive social movements picking up speed as well, but I do believe it's possible.

I have seen how fast any past progress can be reversed by sufficiently determined populist conservatives. Don't take it for granted when every liberty you have can be disappeared with one election.
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