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U.S. Depression Rates Reach New Highs

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Re: U.S. Depression Rates Reach New Highs

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I have an unfounded theory that it's all related to our diet and the food we eat.

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> I drive around and see fucking flags for Trump

People publicly display their support for Biden as well: https://cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/tbt/DW.... Worth noting that this photo was from an article about how neighbors get along despite voting and supporting different politicians.

> even after his terrible behavior

I presume that you could equally have voted for Bill Clinton without approving of his infidelity or Obama without approving of his extrajudicial killing of American citizens. A vote for a politician does not imply that you condone everything about that person.

> I worry for the safety of my family

I don't know where you are, but for what it's worth, I am a visible ethnic minority living in stereotypically conservative Deep South state where virtually every state and local office is held by a Republican; I have neighbors of many different colors and creeds and I do not feel unsafe.

It's actually kind of funny -- I used to live in a major coastal metropolis of the kind where BLM signs were on every other lawn, yet approximately zero black people actually lived in the nice parts of town with those lawn signs. Here, there are approximately zero BLM signs, but plenty of white and black people living as neighbors, friends, and coworkers.

> inflation means despite me having a six figure job we have to pinch pennies

Since we're talking about presidents, I have to point out that the CPI rose 7.8% during Trump's four-year term and 15.6% during Biden's term so far, a little over two years in.

Re: U.S. Depression Rates Reach New Highs

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I'm curious how much of this is related to doomerism and heightened access to the 24-hour news cycle.

I think very little of it is related to doomerism. People that buy into all that stuff are angry, raging at phantoms, not sad.

I expect it's because we've gotten so good at being impersonal. Not necessarily in actual day to day relationships, but a lot of the things we do are basically designed to be alienating, because it's marginally more profitable to have them that way than to have them be convenient.

Like a favorite pet peeve of mine is that the Amazon Music app on android has the occasional modal advertisement to upgrade to a different plan or whatever. I literally never want to see those ads, but there's no way to turn them off because the app is designed to make Amazon as much money as possible, not to be convenient for me. Our lives are full of little "Fuck yous" like that one.

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#183

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I don't understand this concern about inflation. It was never that high, didn't last very long, and wages kept up pretty well (real wages are higher today than they were a year ago [1]). People are panicking over a problem that has done little real harm. https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/05/economy/real-wages-inflation/...

Not everyone got a raise or changed jobs since last year. Everything is still expensive, and continues to get more expensive.

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Re: U.S. Depression Rates Reach New Highs

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Let me turn this around on you. Why do you think any human being deserves not to thrive?

"Deserve" has nothing to do with it. I want everyone to have the opportunity to make something of themselves and keep more of their labor. I recognize that not everyone will succeed at that, and that there are no guarantees that I or anyone else will thrive. I am OK with this tradeoff. It's not that I think some people deserve to be miserable, but I am confident that no political-economic system is capable of fully e…

I think you may have gotten too hung up on the idea of "guaranteeing" thriving.

A "thriving wage" is not as well-established a concept as a "minimum wage" or a "living wage", but I'm hardly the first to mention it. It basically means a wage at which people will, in general, have enough for all the necessities of life plus enough extra to actually enjoy living.

This does not guarantee thriving, or eliminate misery. Plenty of people are very capable of making themselves miserable no matter what their other circumstances.

A thriving wage, on its own, does not even guarantee no homelessness. (I believe we should be solving that through other means.) For one thing, it doesn't even guarantee everyone a job.

What it does guarantee is that everyone who has a job has a very real opportunity to make themselves a comfortable life, provided they make reasonably good choices about where to live. (A federal "thriving minimum wage", for instance, would be unlikely to meet my above criteria in downtown SF right now.)

(Personally, I'm more in favor of UBI, but the poster I originally replied to was specifically talking in terms of that being impractical to implement, which I think is likely to be true right now.)

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> until 2016, when they started sliding back. I really doubt there are statistics to back this up. More likely, the number of people consuming rage-bait (drawing attention to the worst) on social media such as reddit has done up. Without such social media, an asshole yells abuse in a store and it ruins the day of 20 people in earshot. With social media, it gets uploaded and viewed by 20,000 people.

2015 had such social media. And LGBT and related people I know talk about laws, mass media, armed protests. Not an asshole yells abuse in a store.

> armed protests

How many have you seen? How many have you 'seen' on social media?

As for laws, I really think you're missing the bigger picture. Anti-LGBT people had the law on their side a few years ago much more than today (and accordingly, they had less reason to protest.)

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This is, quite literally, the best and safest time in the history of the US to be openly LGBT. This sounds like a reddit comment. I suggest getting offline for a bit and actually spending time with other people in real life.

It's not so great if you're a lesbian, unfortunately. Female-only dating and social spaces have been almost entirely eradicated, and women who complain about this get endlessly harassed.

You've got a good point, but HN doesn't want to hear it (demonstrating your point.)

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#187

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>I don't think adult pedophiles ever stop being sexually aroused by children. They just learn not to act on their urges. Adult pedophiles can stop being sexually aroused by children, because there's still a cognitive component to it. In the same way that you might for example, stop being attracted to your partner if you start associating them with a negative memory, a softcore pedophile might lose their attraction to…

Sources would improve your claims. Aversion conditioning is understood to change behavior more than desire. And many people do not develop a taste for leafy greens or heterosexuality after decades.

>Sources would improve your claims.

As far as general sexuality, the keyword you can look for is 'sexual fluidity', and as far as pedophiles are concerned, Mashall's "Are pedophiles treatable?" covers current approaches that seem to be successful in attenuating or replacing attraction to children.

>Aversion conditioning is understood to change behavior more than desire

Behavior and desire have a complex relationship, it's not necessarily the case that behavior follows from desire.

>And many people do not develop a taste for leafy greens or heterosexuality after decades.

Many people don't, but some do, and my comment concerns the 'some', hence my saying 'occasionally'.

Re: U.S. Depression Rates Reach New Highs

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Actually sexual orientation is fluid and can be adjusted through acclimatization, it's how pedophilia is treated, it just doesn't work on unwilling participants. People who are straight occasionally do become bi or gay, and vice versa.

It's debatable whether that is true for everyone . I know I've tried to make myself like men on several occasions. I was definitely willing and not doing it out of self-hatred.

I'm the opposite, I found that certain mental tools I'd developed in order to overcome my fear of heights and such, had inadvertently also allowed me to adopt just about any sort of sexuality (save for things involving sharp incongruity because my adhd pulls me out of it) with about two weeks to a month of conditioning. I did this a couple of years ago to increase the number of races I'm attracted to, in order to increase my potential dating pool.

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#189

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"Deserve" has nothing to do with it. I want everyone to have the opportunity to make something of themselves and keep more of their labor. I recognize that not everyone will succeed at that, and that there are no guarantees that I or anyone else will thrive. I am OK with this tradeoff. It's not that I think some people deserve to be miserable, but I am confident that no political-economic system is capable of fully e…

I think you may have gotten too hung up on the idea of "guaranteeing" thriving. A "thriving wage" is not as well-established a concept as a "minimum wage" or a "living wage", but I'm hardly the first to mention it. It basically means a wage at which people will, in general, have enough for all the necessities of life plus enough extra to actually enjoy living. This does not guarantee thriving, or eliminate misery. Pl…

Point taken around the guarantee of thriving. However:

> it doesn't even guarantee everyone a job

> everyone who has a job has a very real opportunity to make themselves a comfortable life

I want to go further on this point. There have been plenty of empirical studies evidencing the Econ 101 maxim that a government-imposed price floor causes a surplus, and conversely a price ceiling a shortage. A minimum wage is a price floor on labor that causes a surplus of it, meaning unemployed people. Rent control is a price ceiling on housing that causes a shortage of it, meaning people on waiting lists for affordable housing. So on and so forth; in every case it's great for the people in the system, and terrible for the people outside.

There's a second-order effect to this, especially deleterious in the case of the minimum wage, which is that the young and the marginalized take the brunt of the impact of missing out on the upskilling, networking, and building experience that comes from having a job, even if it pays very poorly, maybe not even for the necessities of life, let alone the enjoyment of it. So over time, the difference between the ones who were lucky enough to get in and the ones who were unemployed because the economic value of their labor was less than the minimum wage broadens, and you run the risk of the latter group becoming a permanently unemployable underclass.

In other words: even a shitty, poorly-paying job is likely to be better for the employee over the long run than no job at all; and because of this, a high minimum wage is likely to result in an unintentional increase in the disparity of outcomes between the haves and the have-nots.

Re: U.S. Depression Rates Reach New Highs

#190

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You should stay off reddit for a bit. Almost none of that is based in fact.

1. https://www.npr.org/2022/06/24/1102305878/supreme-court-abor...

2. https://money.com/harder-for-millennials-get-good-job/

3. I see Confederate and Blue Lives Matter flags and signs everywhere, today, in every rural community I visit. That is push-back against Black Lives Matter, which is a movement rooted in wanting black people not to be disproportionately killed by police. Luckily, the Blue Lives Matter crap is becoming less and less socially acceptable, but it's still there, still reminding vulnerable and historically oppressed people that their lives are less valuable.

4. https://www.bostonglobe.com/2023/04/17/arts/john-oliver-call... https://archive.is/m2RCb https://www.aclu.org/issues/immigrants-rights/immigrants-rig... https://archive.is/MFlGk https://news.cgtn.com/news/2021-03-24/U-S-exploitation-of-im... https://www.womenslaw.org/about-abuse/abuse-specific-communi...

Oh hey look, facts

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