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EPFL cancels Stallman's lecture citing “the situation regarding” his persona
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#362Earlier quoted context omitted.
Age of consent != Age where one can legally prostitute themselves Simple as And real crimes? Like trafficking teenaged women around the world to be used as sex slaves to please one's powerful male associates?
Yes those are indeed real crimes and there are real ways to effect change with respect to those issues. RMS being a bozo isn’t a crime and internet outrage about it has no effect on real crimes. If you donate $5 to a charity helping those affected, for instance, you’ll have done more than all the virtue signaling outrage in the world. You’re not raising awareness, you’re not changing opinions, it’s not “problematic”,…
>"RMS being a bozo isn’t a crime and internet outrage about it has no effect on real crimes."
Not sure what this has to do with what I posted...
Re: EPFL cancels Stallman's lecture citing “the situation regarding” his persona
#363Earlier quoted context omitted.
To be clear, I'm not implying that he himself is a pedophile. I also get that he might have changed his mind, but Stallman is also not known to actually change his mind very often. I'm not a mind reader and it's just an impression that I've gotten in the way he apologized. But in any case my point was mostly that he actually made pretty controversial statements at some point, and it's a bit disingenuous to insinuate…
Stallman is known to be fairly academic and pedantic about how words get defined, and historically all act of sexual assault was defined in term of coercion. There are still people in 2020 that get surprised when people talk about assault which does not involve coercion. Sweden as an example updated their laws in 2018 to change from a coercion based definition to a consent based definition (Stallman post was in 2003)…
> Stallman changed his mind in 2019, by highlighting that harm can exist even without coercion.
It was 2016: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21092184
Re: EPFL cancels Stallman's lecture citing “the situation regarding” his persona
#364“I am skeptical of the claim that voluntarily [sic] pedophilia harms children.” — Richard Stallman
He has rescinded that position: https://stallman.org/archives/2019-jul-oct.html#14_September... Not that you would likely have heard about that since (like, say, Michael Jackson) pro-Stallman reporting is unwanted.
not convinced that he didn't backpeddle just to escape further criticism. it's alarming that he held that opinion in the first place. it makes you wonder what opinions he holds in private.
Re: EPFL cancels Stallman's lecture citing “the situation regarding” his persona
#365Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes those are indeed real crimes and there are real ways to effect change with respect to those issues. RMS being a bozo isn’t a crime and internet outrage about it has no effect on real crimes. If you donate $5 to a charity helping those affected, for instance, you’ll have done more than all the virtue signaling outrage in the world. You’re not raising awareness, you’re not changing opinions, it’s not “problematic”,…
>"RMS being a bozo isn’t a crime and internet outrage about it has no effect on real crimes." Not sure what this has to do with what I posted...
That is the context of the subthread to which you responded. Sorry if it wasn’t clear from my original post.
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#366Earlier quoted context omitted.
> She was 17, and it happened in Florida where the age of consent was 18 at the time. So it really doesn't matter how "willingly" she may have presented herself. Stallman's whole point is that Epstein almost certainly concealed these facts from his associates. Stallman does not in any way argue that these women's and girls aren't victims, only that Minsky was likely unaware of this. I don't see anything sketchy about…
Ignorance isn't considered a defense for statutory rape.
Correct, in some states it's a strict liability crime, but it's not without controversy: should a 25 year old who had sex with someone he met a bar, who entered with a fake ID indicating she was 21, be charged with rape of a child? Even if it doesn't matter in the eyes of the law, it's still a very important factor.
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#367Earlier quoted context omitted.
By this reasoning a 21-year old also cannot consent to sex with another 21-year old, or indeed, can consent to anything else. You're correct that human brains aren't fully developed until the age of 25 or so, but that doesn't mean humans are blubbering morons who can't consent to anything before that age. Also it's not at all established that anything actually happened with Minsky; from the testimony it's only clear…
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Insightful counter-argument; don't know why I never thought of that before – consider me convinced!
Re: EPFL cancels Stallman's lecture citing “the situation regarding” his persona
#368Earlier quoted context omitted.
>"RMS being a bozo isn’t a crime and internet outrage about it has no effect on real crimes." Not sure what this has to do with what I posted...
That is the context of the subthread to which you responded. Sorry if it wasn’t clear from my original post.
I'm confused because you seemed to be dismissing them as if they aren't "real" crimes...
Re: EPFL cancels Stallman's lecture citing “the situation regarding” his persona
#369Earlier quoted context omitted.
That is the context of the subthread to which you responded. Sorry if it wasn’t clear from my original post.
I'm confused because you seemed to be dismissing them as if they aren't "real" crimes...
Nah I was dismissing faux outrage at a guy saying whatever dumb shit, and those people basing their outrage in large part on such arbitrary jurisdictional issues.
Outrage about the actual crime of human trafficking is of course called for but has nothing to do with RMS. Also, outrage at RMS won’t actually in any way address those crimes. But it feels good!
Re: EPFL cancels Stallman's lecture citing “the situation regarding” his persona
#370In Spanish, there is an excellent article on this:
https://www.meneame.net/my-story/MDman/ahora-ha-muerto-stall...