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Google will soon let Pixel phones double as dashcams

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Re: Google will soon let Pixel phones double as dashcams

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Post by danans »

seanalltogether wrote: post #140
phil21 wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is one of my larger personal pet peeves and hills I prefer to die on for no particular reason. I recently purchased a new car, and it has 23 cameras. 23. I can literally get a 360 degree view of my car on the display, and also directly tap into the rear/front/side cams. Why the @#$@# is there no port for an NVR, or a built-in NVR at least? Why do I need to deal with running wires through a brand new car, and sti…

As soon as car manufacturers implement dash cams, government will regulate it to require that it records the speed of the car as well, which I think owners will hate and make them want to avoid those models of cars. I think it's gonna end up as damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.

> As soon as car manufacturers implement dash cams, government will regulate it to require that it records the speed of the car as well

Why would a camera force this regulation when every car already has a ... speedometer?

Re: Google will soon let Pixel phones double as dashcams

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Post by [deleted] »

wnevets wrote: post #138
Bhilai wrote: post #122

Not sure about negative comments here. You dont like it, dont use the feature! Its not like Google is forcing you to use this. I bet people will celebrate this feature when Apple rolls around implementing it two years from now. I for one, look forward to using this feature on my Pixel as I live in a city where drivers are very aggressive and in general have a disregard for following the rules. I have been in an accid…

> I bet people will celebrate this feature when Apple rolls around implementing it two years from now. Not only will it be celebrated but people will claim its revolutionary

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Re: Google will soon let Pixel phones double as dashcams

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Post by BoorishBears »

wnevets wrote: post #138
Bhilai wrote: post #122

Not sure about negative comments here. You dont like it, dont use the feature! Its not like Google is forcing you to use this. I bet people will celebrate this feature when Apple rolls around implementing it two years from now. I for one, look forward to using this feature on my Pixel as I live in a city where drivers are very aggressive and in general have a disregard for following the rules. I have been in an accid…

> I bet people will celebrate this feature when Apple rolls around implementing it two years from now. Not only will it be celebrated but people will claim its revolutionary

Apple would never put iPhones up to something this low-brow.

This is the company that put a charging port under a mouse so you wouldn't leave it hooked up all day: they're not going to encourage you to stick your phone in a creaky phone mount in hot sunlight all day so you can do a bad dashcam impression.

Re: Google will soon let Pixel phones double as dashcams

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Post by groby_b »

cbolton wrote: post #62
paranoidrobot wrote: post #12

FTA: > We also wonder about how Personal Safety will be able to do this type of always-on recording without generating excess heat, especially if your phone needs to be mounted in a position that’s likely to see a lot of direct sunlight. That's what I immediately thought of. I can't see this working too well unless they solve the overheating issues. I had my Google Pixel 7 Pro shut down due to overheating, on a reaso…

Presumably the device will do the recording with the screen turned off, so it will generate little heat internally. So I think placing most of the device behind something to shield it from sunlight should be enough to avoid heat issues. Though I agree with others here that a cheap specialized dashcam device is much better.

Still won't be enough. Driving I-5 from LA to SF on a reasonably warm day (85+F) means the phone will shut down within the hour if it's on the dashboard. I've specifically gotten a phone mount that attaches to the AC vents for that purpose.

I appreciate the thought, but unless it works up to at least 140F, it won't be useful

Re: Google will soon let Pixel phones double as dashcams

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Post by BoorishBears »

seanalltogether wrote: post #140
phil21 wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is one of my larger personal pet peeves and hills I prefer to die on for no particular reason. I recently purchased a new car, and it has 23 cameras. 23. I can literally get a 360 degree view of my car on the display, and also directly tap into the rear/front/side cams. Why the @#$@# is there no port for an NVR, or a built-in NVR at least? Why do I need to deal with running wires through a brand new car, and sti…

As soon as car manufacturers implement dash cams, government will regulate it to require that it records the speed of the car as well, which I think owners will hate and make them want to avoid those models of cars. I think it's gonna end up as damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.

You car already records your speed. It's not stored forever, but in the event of a crash your last X seconds of speed, throttle, brakes, steering, and more are being stored in a rolling buffer

https://www.govtech.com/fs/in-car-devices-records-informatio...

http://techinfo.honda.com/rjanisis/pubs/OM/AH/AT202222IOM/en...

Re: Google will soon let Pixel phones double as dashcams

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Post by amluto »

bsimpson wrote: post #132
amluto wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the phone isn’t too big, and Google added the relevant capabilities, maybe exception 11(A) could work.

Sounds more like 13. Also useful for bicycles and motorbikes. Phone mounts go on the handlebars, so this CVC (windshield mounting) wouldn't apply.

I have trouble imagining Google complying with all the conditions of 13.

Re: Google will soon let Pixel phones double as dashcams

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Post by leviathant »

seanalltogether wrote: post #140
phil21 wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is one of my larger personal pet peeves and hills I prefer to die on for no particular reason. I recently purchased a new car, and it has 23 cameras. 23. I can literally get a 360 degree view of my car on the display, and also directly tap into the rear/front/side cams. Why the @#$@# is there no port for an NVR, or a built-in NVR at least? Why do I need to deal with running wires through a brand new car, and sti…

As soon as car manufacturers implement dash cams, government will regulate it to require that it records the speed of the car as well, which I think owners will hate and make them want to avoid those models of cars. I think it's gonna end up as damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.

Without government influence, auto manufacturers already have "black boxes" that record speed and other telemetry. I'm very conscious of the erosion of privacy, but I'm a 40-something computer nerd. People actively, deliberately record themselves doing crimes of all stripes and post it to public social networks.

In the states, there's rampant violation of vehicle-related laws and minimal enforcement (fake temporary tags, deliberate obstruction of real license plates, deeply tinted windshield and driver/passenger glass, not to mention rolling stops and speeding)

Modern cars record their speed today, no one bats an eye. Even before in-car tech could do this, you could passively enforce speeding by using toll booth data, but that doesn't happen. Neither side cares enough to bother.

Re: Google will soon let Pixel phones double as dashcams

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Post by danans »

barbazoo wrote: post #135
judge2020 wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dashcams should 100% be required in every car. Too many accidents are a he-said-she-said situation, sometimes without any impartial witnesses.

Better driver training and education is what should be required first. Seeing people on the road makes me think most people don't know about the physics of tailgating or speeding. When I grew up in Germany it was the ADAC driver training, a half day of driving on a long and wide patch of road almost like an airport apron, and doing different manoeuvres and exercises that made me a much much more humble (and slow) dri…

> Better driver training and education is what should be required first. Seeing people on the road makes me think most people don't know about the physics of tailgating or speeding

You can train people all you want but a great many still aren't going to understand the physics of driving and use that to drive more safely.

Driving is for most people an activity imbued with primal feelings and behaviors. Otherwise we'd all be driving small nimble cars in a way that maintained a large safety margin.

In reality our reptilian brains want to be in the biggest vehicle that we can do that we survive the crash, while speeding or tailgating to satisfy whatever need or anxiety that services.

Re: Google will soon let Pixel phones double as dashcams

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Post by mbrameld »

oh_sigh wrote: post #103
bagacrap wrote: post #96

Why don't cars come with these by default yet? I have two backup cameras on a 7 year old entry level Honda but no integrated dashcam.

The simple answer is that backup cameras are required by regulation for safety, whereas dashcams don't increase safety.

> whereas dashcams don't increase safety

I'd like to see your source for that claim!

Re: Google will soon let Pixel phones double as dashcams

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Post by ralfcheung »

wnevets wrote: post #138
Bhilai wrote: post #122

Not sure about negative comments here. You dont like it, dont use the feature! Its not like Google is forcing you to use this. I bet people will celebrate this feature when Apple rolls around implementing it two years from now. I for one, look forward to using this feature on my Pixel as I live in a city where drivers are very aggressive and in general have a disregard for following the rules. I have been in an accid…

> I bet people will celebrate this feature when Apple rolls around implementing it two years from now. Not only will it be celebrated but people will claim its revolutionary

No need to wait for another two years, I already made an exact app you're talking about. it's not only a dash cam, but it's integrated with turn by turn navigation as well.

maybe I can claim it to be revolutionary :)

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/dashmap/id1638360259

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