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Anonymous plans to take down the 13 root DNS servers that power the Internet?

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Re: Anonymous plans to take down the 13 root DNS servers that power the Internet?

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Post by devnul3 »

pyre wrote: post #71
devnul3 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A protest becomes terrorism when it prevents access to vital services (eg "picketing" a hospital and not allowing ambulances in/out)

So if a bunch of hospital workers were protesting their pay and formed a picket line around a hospital, their purpose would be to 'instill terror?' Somehow this comes across as adding to the dilution of the word 'terrorism.' Do you really think that picketing a hospital is comparable to using guerilla tactics against a civilian population? I'm not agreeing that people should be allowed to prevent access to a hospital…

if you're in the ambulance, or think you might be, and are refused access to life-saving medicine, you will be terrified.

Terrorism is using force or the threat of force against a population to achieve political or economic goals. That is chapter and verse what Anon is doing with these threats.

There are (obviously) degrees of terrorism. Hitting buildings with planes isn't the same as sending a few letters with anthrax in them. But both are terrorism.

Re: Anonymous plans to take down the 13 root DNS servers that power the Internet?

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Post by devnul3 »

pyre wrote: post #71
devnul3 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A protest becomes terrorism when it prevents access to vital services (eg "picketing" a hospital and not allowing ambulances in/out)

So if a bunch of hospital workers were protesting their pay and formed a picket line around a hospital, their purpose would be to 'instill terror?' Somehow this comes across as adding to the dilution of the word 'terrorism.' Do you really think that picketing a hospital is comparable to using guerilla tactics against a civilian population? I'm not agreeing that people should be allowed to prevent access to a hospital…

And to more directly address your first question, no, their goal wouldn't be to instil terror. That's never the goal, merely the method.

This is why the subject gets clouded, terrorists _goals_ are to achieve change. Their _method_ is to do this by insilling terror.

Re: Anonymous plans to take down the 13 root DNS servers that power the Internet?

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Post by Retric »

vidarh wrote: post #42

I don't know if they're just simplifying things or are just clueless, but none of the 13 DNS roots are single servers. Most or all of them aren't even in a single physical site. There's somewhere around 240 root server sites each consisting of multiple physical servers, just served up on 13 IP's. Given that many of these sites are colocated at interchanges and with providers with tons of multi gigabit links, they hav…

They might be able to attack by doing something that takes more computation on the DNS servers part than a simple query. Still, DNS scales vary well for example Google's DNS servers Average 800,000 queries per second so I would not be surprised if they was ridiculous overkill at the root servers.

PS: I suspect this is most likely just someones random trolling of the internet.

Re: Anonymous plans to take down the 13 root DNS servers that power the Internet?

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Post by brother »

vidarh wrote: post #42

I don't know if they're just simplifying things or are just clueless, but none of the 13 DNS roots are single servers. Most or all of them aren't even in a single physical site. There's somewhere around 240 root server sites each consisting of multiple physical servers, just served up on 13 IP's. Given that many of these sites are colocated at interchanges and with providers with tons of multi gigabit links, they hav…

How is load balancing accomplished with this?

Re: Anonymous plans to take down the 13 root DNS servers that power the Internet?

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Post by icebraining »

brother wrote: post #84
vidarh wrote: post #42

I don't know if they're just simplifying things or are just clueless, but none of the 13 DNS roots are single servers. Most or all of them aren't even in a single physical site. There's somewhere around 240 root server sites each consisting of multiple physical servers, just served up on 13 IP's. Given that many of these sites are colocated at interchanges and with providers with tons of multi gigabit links, they hav…

How is load balancing accomplished with this?

It uses Anycast: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anycast

Re: Anonymous plans to take down the 13 root DNS servers that power the Internet?

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Post by A1kmm »

chives wrote: post #79
vidarh wrote: post #42

I don't know if they're just simplifying things or are just clueless, but none of the 13 DNS roots are single servers. Most or all of them aren't even in a single physical site. There's somewhere around 240 root server sites each consisting of multiple physical servers, just served up on 13 IP's. Given that many of these sites are colocated at interchanges and with providers with tons of multi gigabit links, they hav…

We have no proof that this is even Anonymous. We have nothing that says that the author of this is even a hacker or knows hackers. Any person following the Anonymous attacks and statements could have easily written this file. Why is this on hacker news? This is not news, this is a poorly (tech wise) written short story.

Anonymous isn't a group, it is a meme, and so it doesn't make sense to say that someone could be impersonating anonymous.

I agree that non-credible claims under the Anonymous meme should be hidden here if they don't have a significant enough following to be newsworthy - the use of a particular meme does not automatically make something newsworthy.

Re: Anonymous plans to take down the 13 root DNS servers that power the Internet?

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Post by hybrid11 »

"To protest SOPA, Wallstreet, our irresponsible leaders and the beloved bankers who are starving the world for their own selfish needs out of sheer sadistic fun, On March 31, anonymous will shut the Internet down."

What does taking down the internet have to do with that mission statement?

Re: Anonymous plans to take down the 13 root DNS servers that power the Internet?

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Post by techiferous »

hybrid11 wrote: post #88

"To protest SOPA, Wallstreet, our irresponsible leaders and the beloved bankers who are starving the world for their own selfish needs out of sheer sadistic fun, On March 31, anonymous will shut the Internet down." What does taking down the internet have to do with that mission statement?

I, too, find this strange. This does not seem like an event with a specific objective in mind (beyond taking down DNS). It seems like a release of internal psychological tension onto the external world. Smacks of Jung's shadow: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_(psychology)

Re: Anonymous plans to take down the 13 root DNS servers that power the Internet?

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Post by pyre »

devnul3 wrote: post #81
pyre wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So if a bunch of hospital workers were protesting their pay and formed a picket line around a hospital, their purpose would be to 'instill terror?' Somehow this comes across as adding to the dilution of the word 'terrorism.' Do you really think that picketing a hospital is comparable to using guerilla tactics against a civilian population? I'm not agreeing that people should be allowed to prevent access to a hospital…

if you're in the ambulance, or think you might be, and are refused access to life-saving medicine, you will be terrified. Terrorism is using force or the threat of force against a population to achieve political or economic goals. That is chapter and verse what Anon is doing with these threats. There are (obviously) degrees of terrorism. Hitting buildings with planes isn't the same as sending a few letters with anthr…

  > Terrorism is using force or the threat of force
  > against a population to achieve political or economic
  > goals
A bunch of people handcuffed in a circle around a hospital doesn't have anything to do with 'force.' Just sayin'.
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