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Re: Texas professor fails entire class from graduating- claiming they used ChatGTP

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Post by dekhn »

ChainOfFools wrote: post #252
circuit10 wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t know much about him but I thought he was a researcher? There is an “Academic publications” section on https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliezer_Yudkowsky and it says “He is a co-founder and research fellow at the Machine Intelligence Research Institute” LLMs are not self aware, I agree, but there is clearly some reasoning going on and you could argue that its model of human behaviour can somewhat simulate self…

Being a self-appointed expert goes a long way if you're willing to work the character. A combination of information overload and a tendency to give people the benefit of the doubt - especially if there is (as yet) little competition for whatever niche you're trying to occupy. people are predisposed (and media people almost pathologically so) to assume benign or benevolent intent in the absence of better (or any alter…

and you didn't even bring up "I would never join a group that would have me as a member!"

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Post by RheingoldRiver »

drewcoo wrote: post #259
RheingoldRiver wrote: post #107

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Huh what major were you? As a math major we used exclusively physical books and it was fine. There was one time that the professor wanted us to use a theorem in a homework assignment from a book he neglected to assign to us for the class. The entire class collaborated on that problem set and emailed him for help, and he admitted he'd made a mistake and lent us a copy of the book. That was probably the biggest can't-u…

> simply not enough time to go get books off the shelf and complete all my assignments Why bother with books when it's so easy to fabricate?

I think you replied to the wrong comment

Re: Texas professor fails entire class from graduating- claiming they used ChatGTP

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Post by 1letterunixname »

DoneWithAllThat wrote: post #156

Nothing in the professor’s message says or even implies the whole class was failed. Did people just stop learning how to read in the last few years?

Breaking news! Now with 150% more clickbait and 300% more misinformation.

Critical thinking skills are in the doldrums due to technological distractions.

One possibility for education is to go full Luddite: chalk, pencil, dead trees, and collections of dead trees. The ability to focus and master mental labor are the important bits.

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Post by dehrmann »

nicenewtemp84 wrote: post #142
dehrmann wrote: post #104

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All the freshman engineering classes at my college checked ids when turning in exams.

Makes sense. 2003-2004 my specific UC system did not.

My college wasn't as selective as UCs, and it took pride in low GPA inflation and failing students in their freshman year.

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Post by 1317 »

nixpulvis wrote: post #232
olyjohn wrote: post #224

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I'm wondering if something like the old Yahoo! will make a comeback. I remember how it was kinda difficult to get your site listed on there, since someone had to vet the link and add it to the site. Honestly, I would love something like this. Sometimes I want to buy some sneakers, but all that comes up is Amazon and a bunch of trashy spam when I try to find something. Searching for things has become nearly impossible…

What if you could just blacklist domains from your search?

Cut off a head, two more will take its place

https://github.com/iorate/ublacklist lets you do this anyway, it does help somewhat

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Post by rrauenza »

gabereiser wrote: post #126
CydeWeys wrote: post #100

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The thing about LLMs that a lot of people haven't cottoned onto yet is that they're essentially constantly lying. They have no concept of truth and also no concept of certainty. This makes them much less useful for a lot of tasks then people realize.

“people haven’t caught onto yet”. You are correct in a sense. It’s not that the LLM is lying. It has no concept of lying. It’s also true that it didn’t write the poem, it spit out phrases it was trained on - attribution omitted. It’s a multitude of authors. It’s also easy to “unlock” ChatGPT to make it play along with whatever scheme you want. If you are not smart enough, you might think it’s an evil plot to take ove…

Oddly enough, "Cottoned on" is actually a legit phrase, not a misspelling.

https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/cotton-on.html

...and I don't believe the etymology is related to 'caught', either.

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Post by revelio »

dotnet00 wrote: post #177
michaelt wrote: post #159

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> This might not be feasible depending on the size of the class. I had classes with 100-200 students. American colleges regularly collect $10,000+ in fees per student, so I'm not sure why a 20 minute oral exam would be infeasible?

You're asking for ~2000 minutes to examine a class of 100. That means either having many more TAs than most classes have or making examination periods way longer than they are. Then, even with all that you aren't really making any real improvement, as the skills involved in an oral exam are not necessarily relevant to those which need to be tested, thus making the exam at best similar in uselessness to a written exam…

So 33 hours of work, or a bit less than a week by one person then?

Why is this thread full of academics claiming that apparently normal workloads of the sort everyone takes on, or trivial solutions of the sort high school teachers manage, is somehow impossible for them? They do realize they're accepting money in return for a commitment to do teaching activities, right?

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Post by revelio »

NotOscarWilde wrote: post #41
jimbob45 wrote: post #7

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Been saying this for a while. There are very simple and effective ways to teach your class that can't be cheated with AI. These professors are simply lazy and uncreative.

Speaking as an (assistant) professor in theoretical CS, I see there are many bad approaches in the original post and mentioned in this discussion, but I strongly disagree with: > There are very simple and effective ways to teach your class that can't be cheated with AI. These professors are simply lazy and uncreative. I can attest to the following problems to good homework creation, from my own experiences playing wi…

Some questions:

> not understanding it very well, and yet presenting it. Failing these students likely leads to overly difficult classes

What does a grade even mean in your classes, if not understanding the subject isn't grounds for failure? Isn't the point of a grade to measure exactly that?

> some students with bad anxiety management skills, which includes me as a former student, dislike them passionately

So what? Nobody likes exams, they make everyone anxious, why is that even considered relevant? Did you not pass through exam halls with hundreds of students in them to get to university in the first place? How did this supposedly non-scalable system scale when you were 16?

> If anyone here has novel ideas

Why are you acting as if this is an unsolved research problem?

Here's a novel idea for you: talk to people who teach 15 year olds and then copy the way they do it. They'll probably tell you to do things you don't personally like doing but if it's really "critical to your profession" as you claim, then that won't matter, will it.

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Post by actionfromafar »

sethrin wrote: post #260
circuit10 wrote: post #229

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What I meant is that it can’t self-introspect and work out how its own thought processes work. It can only know that if it was in its training data or given to the model in some other way, it’s not (yet?) possible for it to know about its inner workings just from working it out But this is true of humans in many cases too It’s training data is from 2021, so it won’t contain anything about how ChatGPT works, maybe a b…

At some point it will be trained on data that describes itself, which will make it self-aware in a way that will probably prompt much argument about what precisely we mean by the concept of self-awareness.

Logic systems from the 1980s could explain their reasoning.
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