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Big Tech Resumed Hiring Foreign Workers Just Weeks After Layoffs

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Re: Big Tech Resumed Hiring Foreign Workers Just Weeks After Layoffs

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Post by taurath »

rhaway84773 wrote: post #90

The dumbest thing Americans have decided to complain about is the H1B visa. This is a visa that requires employees to be paid as much or more than equivalent American workers in the region. In addition the company is required to pay the significant legal fees involved in getting and maintaining this visa. It is obviously about workers living and working in the US paying taxes in the US. And it’s primarily used for an…

> If you really want to fight something fight companies that send jobs and dollars to the same people who don’t live in the US.

There is no way to "fight" corporate power structures though outside of unionization, the barons and lords of the investor class get to do whatever they want to do and have different sets of laws.

Re: Big Tech Resumed Hiring Foreign Workers Just Weeks After Layoffs

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Post by jimsimmons »

bhawks wrote: post #97

Hiring H1Bs post layoffs adds distraction to the real problem at hand. Google's 10k layoff was simply not justified by management's soulless explanation. The company is a technical and financial juggernaut. It is still hiring. The only problem they faced is they wanted to pivot their headcount investment on a grand scale and did not want to deal with the typical horse trading reorgs take. Tldr Google's layoffs was ju…

Layoffs and removing staplers are management’s way of saying good times are over. They want to stop rest and vest culture. It has nothing to do with actual value of those employees or the financial necessity

Re: Big Tech Resumed Hiring Foreign Workers Just Weeks After Layoffs

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Post by arcticbull »

Aeolun wrote: post #58
stefan_ wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That doesn't make a difference to the H-1B requirements. No other domestic worker could do the same job? It's a scam.

No other domestic worker could do that job for the same price. You see, we just went through layoffs for cost saving purposes, and have nearly no money in the bank (just $100B), so we can only hire these H-1B visa holders or our business will go under.

H-1Bs are required to be paid prevailing wage for the job in the geographical area as determined by the DOL. There's a whole labor conditions application filing that you have to make with the Department of Labor.

[1] https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/fact-sheets/62g-h1b-require...

[2] https://flag.dol.gov/programs/LCA

Re: Big Tech Resumed Hiring Foreign Workers Just Weeks After Layoffs

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Post by azurezyq »

bhawks wrote: post #97

Hiring H1Bs post layoffs adds distraction to the real problem at hand. Google's 10k layoff was simply not justified by management's soulless explanation. The company is a technical and financial juggernaut. It is still hiring. The only problem they faced is they wanted to pivot their headcount investment on a grand scale and did not want to deal with the typical horse trading reorgs take. Tldr Google's layoffs was ju…

Layoff == rapid re-org

You can achieve the same goal by redistributing the workforce / head counts across groups and wait for natural attritions, but it has some major downsides:

* Slow due to endless debates and deals across all levels

* Good people may leave before mediocre ones, since the latter may be difficult to leave.

I don't think layoffs are good. But I think once you've located the problem, solving it sooner may be better than leaving it for further development.

Re: Big Tech Resumed Hiring Foreign Workers Just Weeks After Layoffs

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Post by sbierwagen »

thatfrenchguy wrote: post #95
kasey_junk wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t necessarily believe this position but not a single one of your points argues against the theory that H1b visas are bad for green card/citizen holders during times of layoffs. It’s a perfectly logical (if not humane given current immigration law) position to hold that companies should be required to lay off visa holders first and for there to be a “cooling off” period between layoffs and hiring of visa holders…

> It’s a perfectly logical (if not humane given current immigration law) position to hold that companies should be required to lay off visa holders first and for there to be a “cooling off” period between layoffs and hiring of visa holders. This is really suboptimal though, what if you have a H1B worker that's a high performer in a key position that would make your company collapse if they left but say, they were bor…

If a company requires Indian nationals to function, then it seems like the best place to incorporate it is in India.

Re: Big Tech Resumed Hiring Foreign Workers Just Weeks After Layoffs

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Post by re-thc »

thatfrenchguy wrote: post #95
kasey_junk wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t necessarily believe this position but not a single one of your points argues against the theory that H1b visas are bad for green card/citizen holders during times of layoffs. It’s a perfectly logical (if not humane given current immigration law) position to hold that companies should be required to lay off visa holders first and for there to be a “cooling off” period between layoffs and hiring of visa holders…

> It’s a perfectly logical (if not humane given current immigration law) position to hold that companies should be required to lay off visa holders first and for there to be a “cooling off” period between layoffs and hiring of visa holders. This is really suboptimal though, what if you have a H1B worker that's a high performer in a key position that would make your company collapse if they left but say, they were bor…

> his is really suboptimal though, what if you have a H1B worker that's a high performer in a key position that would make your company collapse if they left but say, they were born in India, and you're laying off folks in projects that failed / folks that are low-performing.

You can offer them a different visa? H1B isn't the ONLY option. It's only being used because it's not a "key" position.

Re: Big Tech Resumed Hiring Foreign Workers Just Weeks After Layoffs

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Post by UncleMeat »

mathgeek wrote: post #11
throw123123123 wrote: post #3

I don't see why that is inconsistent. Companies doing layoffs keep hiring people, what are the news?

The implied “problem” is that these companies are loopholing the H1-B process to hire for positions that American workers were laid off from. Of course, lawyers know how to make things work. > The intent of the H-1B provisions is to help employers who cannot otherwise obtain needed business skills and abilities from the U.S. workforce by authorizing the temporary employment of qualified individuals who are not otherw…

> for positions that American workers were laid off from

Is this true? My observation at Google has been that very few teams had layoffs and now have open headcount. The teams that are hiring aren't the ones that had people fired.

Re: Big Tech Resumed Hiring Foreign Workers Just Weeks After Layoffs

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Post by coderintherye »

re-thc wrote: post #107
thatfrenchguy wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It’s a perfectly logical (if not humane given current immigration law) position to hold that companies should be required to lay off visa holders first and for there to be a “cooling off” period between layoffs and hiring of visa holders. This is really suboptimal though, what if you have a H1B worker that's a high performer in a key position that would make your company collapse if they left but say, they were bor…

> his is really suboptimal though, what if you have a H1B worker that's a high performer in a key position that would make your company collapse if they left but say, they were born in India, and you're laying off folks in projects that failed / folks that are low-performing. You can offer them a different visa? H1B isn't the ONLY option. It's only being used because it's not a "key" position.

What different visa option are you referring to? Specifically, as noted in the parent comment when referring to workers from India.

Re: Big Tech Resumed Hiring Foreign Workers Just Weeks After Layoffs

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Post by nsporillo »

rhaway84773 wrote: post #90

The dumbest thing Americans have decided to complain about is the H1B visa. This is a visa that requires employees to be paid as much or more than equivalent American workers in the region. In addition the company is required to pay the significant legal fees involved in getting and maintaining this visa. It is obviously about workers living and working in the US paying taxes in the US. And it’s primarily used for an…

Incidentally I used https://h1bdata.info/ to lookup the pay my company was advertising for my exact role and spoke with my manager to get a near 20% raise.

Company was just small enough to not have accurate data elsewhere but large enough to have a handful of h1b postings up.

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