The biggest concern is that people spur the government into forcing companies to fire H1Bs before US citizens. There was a time when I thought that could never happen but given the political climate it might happen, with disastrous consequences.
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#32The only way this could be a problem is if you assume employees are fungible.
But they aren't. You may have too many of one type of worker, and not enough of another, so it would make perfect sense to lay off the first ones, and hire foreign workers for the second one.
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#33Once you switch to full remote, why not hire from Central and South America at maybe 1/4 the price of a Californian.
I'm with you on principle.
To my knowledge, the main barriers are managing the payroll: how do you deal with each countries' laws and obligations for each of your remote employees ?
The traditional way to do that at scale is to go through a local proxy company that abstracts the complexity and is the legal entity responsible for the workers in that country. Except you have to pay that middle-men, maintain an ongoing relationship, and if for instance a tenth of your engineers are managed by them, their bargaining power will be pretty high and the cost will rise.
If as a company you deal with each individual employee instead, you have to also directly manage all the legal aspects. Hiring freelance workers only can partially alleviate that, but this comes with its own can of worm, and the complexity stays the same in case of conflict (imagine getting sued by the worker in their own country)
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#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
Google isn't TCS or Wipro. It pays H1B workers very high wages.
I am sure they pay their H1B workers less than their non-H1B workers. So it still may be "high wages" but that does not negate the GrandParent comment that they laid off higher paid workers in favor in importing lower paid workers
> I am sure they pay their H1B workers less than their non-H1B workers.
I’m quite sure they don’t. My friend makes over $1M total comp. Are you saying he would be paid $2M if he were a citizen?
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#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
Google isn't TCS or Wipro. It pays H1B workers very high wages.
I am sure they pay their H1B workers less than their non-H1B workers. So it still may be "high wages" but that does not negate the GrandParent comment that they laid off higher paid workers in favor in importing lower paid workers
I have been in many comp planning meetings at companies like Google and Microsoft for the last two decades, and can assure you that no one in the room even knows the visa status of people in their division. That is not a factor when considering promotions and raises.
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#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
And there was no one capable for these roles in those 12,000 people? I find that hard to believe. If the answer is “no”, prove it (I have been the sponsor of H1Bs, and am familiar with the paperwork and the process). Edit: > Normalizing reneging on job offers is a bad path to go down. Google has already done this previously during economic uncertainty. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/29/google-said-to-rescind-job-o...
That’s not really how it works. It’s hard to be fine-grained when firing 12k people. It’s operational much easier to do the layoff and then fix the gaps.
Indeed, the gist of my complaint to my Congressional reps is going to be “Google appears incapable of managing Human Resources at scale and defaults instead to hiring folks on visas at the same time letting a bunch of existing domestic workers go.”
“Too hard” to sorting hat a subset of 12k employees into other roles and slash and burn instead? You shouldn’t get H1B quota.
We are coming up on an election cycle after all.
> but there is no logical or legal reason to do so.
Edit: throttled, can’t reply @bubblethink that is what the law and legislation is for, helping corporations along when their actions are too efficient for society’s liking. I expect regulation to catch up to their labor practices.
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#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
Google isn't TCS or Wipro. It pays H1B workers very high wages.
I am sure they pay their H1B workers less than their non-H1B workers. So it still may be "high wages" but that does not negate the GrandParent comment that they laid off higher paid workers in favor in importing lower paid workers
Why are you sure of that? I certainly never saw a change in salary when I went from H1B to citizen.
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#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
Google isn't TCS or Wipro. It pays H1B workers very high wages.
I am sure they pay their H1B workers less than their non-H1B workers. So it still may be "high wages" but that does not negate the GrandParent comment that they laid off higher paid workers in favor in importing lower paid workers
False. Visa status does not play into comp discussions at high-end tech companies (FAANG, or many smaller high-quality startups.)