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Re: EU Artificial Intelligence Act

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Post by judge2020 »

alfalfasprout wrote: post #70
IAmGraydon wrote: post #54

I wonder if all those calling ChatGPT and the like “AI” when it’s nothing of the sort regret doing so now. AI is a scary word for certain groups, while machine learning (which is what this is) isn’t. Now you have a bunch of Luddites with pitchforks looking for a witch to burn. What this act will do is severely stunt the European economy compared to the rest of the world, which will be racing ahead (as long as countri…

I really don't agree with this take. Consider, for example, GDPR. Its implementation in Europe essentially forced compliance worldwide (with some smaller companies choosing to just not support users in the EU). And that's a good thing. It's a large enough market that it can and should lead the way in sensible protections. This isn't about luddites looking to burn witches. There are very sensible and immediate risks t…

GDPR affects data, which is the basis of all computing. AI isn't - and this will mainly affect the companies building AI to forego offices and remote workers in the EU, not deployment in it.

Re: EU Artificial Intelligence Act

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Post by permo-w »

kortilla wrote: post #74
alfalfasprout wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really don't agree with this take. Consider, for example, GDPR. Its implementation in Europe essentially forced compliance worldwide (with some smaller companies choosing to just not support users in the EU). And that's a good thing. It's a large enough market that it can and should lead the way in sensible protections. This isn't about luddites looking to burn witches. There are very sensible and immediate risks t…

Yes, cookie banners are widely regarded as very good.

I’d rather cookie banners than an opt-out system

Re: EU Artificial Intelligence Act

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Post by kpw94 »

jdiez17 wrote: post #63

For anyone who is jumping to the comments to complain about how more rules from the EU is going to make innovation difficult, I highly recommend you to read the summary presentation: https://www.ceps.eu/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/AI-Presentati... Basically, as I understand it, it divides AI systems (in the broadest sense Machine Learning sense) into risk categories: unacceptable risk (prohibited), high risk, medium/o…

Not going to comment on how determining which risk category a given system falls into.

> clean and correct training data

If there's a country where majority of poor people have blue skin, and majority of rich people have green skin, and poorer people commit more crimes in general. Then if one of the features (explicitly defined or somehow inferred by model) of your ML model is skin color, it will correctly correlate blue skin as high risk for stealing. So a supermarket chain AI face detection would always flag those more often. And so you'd have AI-scale systemic racism.

Even if that application was categorized as "high risk", since it is "clean and correct training data".

How do you legislate that an AI system can't fall for "correlation != causation" and how can you audit that if there's no clearly define ML model feature, like the simple neural networks studied in ML 101.

Re: EU Artificial Intelligence Act

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Post by nforgerit »

dariosalvi78 wrote: post #50
nforgerit wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We've been there with GDPR. It didn't help creating the level playing field they officially wanted to achieve. BigTech has law departments whilst local tech startups have to deal with legal battles initiated by third-class legal firms crawling the web. They just end up making their local tech entrepreneurs flee to US/UK.

FYI, the UK has the same legislation as GDPR

I don't know internals but would bet that it's an implementation of GDPR which happened shortly before Brexit. Do you really think after all that Brexit hassle they will miss the chance to attract tech companies?

Re: EU Artificial Intelligence Act

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Post by soVeryTired »

IAmGraydon wrote: post #69
tpoacher wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what's AI then?

A machine that can think, not a machine that spits out strings of text that fool humans into believing it can think. The map is not the territory.

> The map is not the territory.

Turing would argue that if the map resembles the territory so faithfully that you can't distinguish between them, the difference is moot. We're not there yet, but we're a hell of a lot closer than we were ten years ago.

Re: EU Artificial Intelligence Act

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Post by mrtksn »

kortilla wrote: post #73
jdiez17 wrote: post #63

For anyone who is jumping to the comments to complain about how more rules from the EU is going to make innovation difficult, I highly recommend you to read the summary presentation: https://www.ceps.eu/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/AI-Presentati... Basically, as I understand it, it divides AI systems (in the broadest sense Machine Learning sense) into risk categories: unacceptable risk (prohibited), high risk, medium/o…

How is recruiting higher risk than deepfakes?

Systematic discrimination in employment because the AI said so because the data was biased can ghettos and riots. Deepfakes are a storm in a teacup.

Remember how OpenAI's Dall-E lost to Stable Diffusion because they were too afraid that someone will make an image of a politician or something? Well we had some fun with Pope wearing Balenciaga and Trump being arrested but nothing bad happened.

Re: EU Artificial Intelligence Act

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Post by alwayseasy »

nforgerit wrote: post #40
mrtksn wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They just end up making their local tech entrepreneurs flee to US/UK. Really? Which startups flee due to GDPR? In my experience as a user, I now have option to download my data and know what's collected about me. I like it.

Most prominent recent heads-up was BionTech who decided to start a "Strategic Partnership" with the UK government for their research. [0] https://investors.biontech.de/news-releases/news-release-det...

What is the relation between Personalized mRNA Cancer Immunotherapies and GDPR??

Re: EU Artificial Intelligence Act

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Post by zmnd »

mrtksn wrote: post #35
nforgerit wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We've been there with GDPR. It didn't help creating the level playing field they officially wanted to achieve. BigTech has law departments whilst local tech startups have to deal with legal battles initiated by third-class legal firms crawling the web. They just end up making their local tech entrepreneurs flee to US/UK.

> They just end up making their local tech entrepreneurs flee to US/UK. Really? Which startups flee due to GDPR? In my experience as a user, I now have option to download my data and know what's collected about me. I like it.

Can you give some examples of you needing to download your data? What actions did you take based on it? How often do you do it?

Re: EU Artificial Intelligence Act

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Post by hammyhavoc »

duringmath wrote: post #9

Why is everyone in a hurry to regulate AI? I can't think of one example where someone was harmed by an LLM. Besides "AI" is largely a marketing term, most software has "AI" elements and that has been the case for a while now, this thing has "unintended consequences" written all over it.

> I can't think of one example where someone was harmed by an LLM.

Off the top of my head:

https://www.brusselstimes.com/belgium/430098/belgian-man-com...

https://jonathanturley.org/2023/04/06/defamed-by-chatgpt-my-...

Re: EU Artificial Intelligence Act

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Post by nforgerit »

mrtksn wrote: post #43
nforgerit wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most prominent recent heads-up was BionTech who decided to start a "Strategic Partnership" with the UK government for their research. [0] https://investors.biontech.de/news-releases/news-release-det...

And this is connected to GDPR how exactly? Companies do these things all the time, I guess it's fun to imagine that opening offices in other countries is fleeing and that are fleeing to UK because they are having trouble processing personal data when developing drugs but I don't see why would that be the case. Fun fact: UK data protection laws are about the same as EU.

As an entrepreneur you have to deal with finances, a great product and market competition. Why on earth would you additionally put legal insecurity on top, up until in a couple of years there might be enough jurisdictional rulings putting shallow definitions in EU regulations into context?

Fun fact: Why would UK miss the chance to attract tech companies and get rid of pre-Brexit laws after they went through all the unfortunate hassle Brexit was?

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