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Re: Updating our inactive account policies

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You make it sound like the only possible motivation a person might have to start such a business would be to exploit the incarcerated. What if the founder is a former inmate, and says “I wish there was something like that available when I was on the inside?” Even if the business is officially classified as “for-profit”, there’s a big difference between a business seeking a living wage for its founders and employees v…

I know this is HN but the first reaction to a broken system should be to fix it, not build a business on top of it.

If someone did build this as a non-profit or something, they'd be in a very strong position to get to talk to the right people if it took off.

Re: Updating our inactive account policies

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I'm seeing a lot of criticism here in the comments, but what's the alternative for free accounts? If you're not using it, how long is Google (a for-profit company) supposed to hold onto your data for free? 100 years? 50 years? 15 years?

2 years seems pretty reasonable to me for something provided by a for-profit corporation. And as other reporting has noted, they're not deleting YouTube videos (makes sense, since while nobody else views your e-mails, public videos are public).

People here are saying, what about if you go to jail for more than 2 years, or you're in poor health for multi-year stretches? Then pay for a cheap Google One subscription, export your data with Takeout, or have a trusted friend log in once a year. These are lots of options.

If this were a government-provided service then it would be one thing. But it's not, it's a for-profit company that gives you free products in exchange for ads. There are lots of options for keeping an account active. I see no reason why we should expect a company to keep providing storage for dormant accounts beyond 2 years though.

Re: Updating our inactive account policies

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I know this is HN but the first reaction to a broken system should be to fix it, not build a business on top of it.

You can effect change in May 2023 if you start now on the business. When will you be able to effect change if the only strategy is “fix the whole system”? It won’t be this year and probably not this decade. Which strategy gives a better outcome for someone incarcerated today?

> You can effect change in May 2023 if you start now on the business.

And in May 2033, you can lobby to keep the system broken so that you can maintain your business!

Businesses solve one problem, and one problem only: how to get money into the business owner's pockets.

Re: Updating our inactive account policies

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I have a google account I haven't been able to log into for some time, because even though I know the password, it flagged "suspicious activity" at some point and has required me to verify with a phone number I no longer have, from when I lived in the U.S. (I now live in Canada, but it did let me log in from Canada when I first moved here) I was hoping that some day, someone would register that phone number and I'd b…

>and I'd be able to convince them to give me an authentication code

Unless you got to know them well (as in personally face to face), a stranger asking for a 2fa code would appear to be an elaborate phishing campaign.

Re: Updating our inactive account policies

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Many (most?) classic viral videos from abandoned accounts will be deleted, if this policy comes into effect.

What benefit would Google get from removing popular videos?

Sociopath executives/upper management will get bonuses for "saving money".

Re: Updating our inactive account policies

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Youtube is a defacto time travel machine when it comes to culture as video. You can watch videos from 2004 and earlier. It's the only platform that could allow itself to act against copyright laws. It's part of the cultural heritage of humanity.

Okay, what does that have to do with Google not maintaining history of the videos you watched? You can still bookmark links, download videos for offline use?

The concern is about the account that posted the videos being deleted along with the videos.

Re: Updating our inactive account policies

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I'm seeing a lot of criticism here in the comments, but what's the alternative for free accounts? If you're not using it, how long is Google (a for-profit company) supposed to hold onto your data for free? 100 years? 50 years? 15 years? 2 years seems pretty reasonable to me for something provided by a for-profit corporation. And as other reporting has noted, they're not deleting YouTube videos (makes sense, since whi…

Photobucket (remember them!) kept hundreds and hundreds of photos in my account with them despite complete inactivity for over a decade.

I simply forgot the account existed, and remembered one day to find a ton of amazing decade old photos.

There’s something to be said for doing things that earn your company respect from consumers. Had photobucket deleted my decade old photos because I didn’t log in frequently enough, I’d be pissed and wouldn’t use them in the future. If a small photo storage company can afford to keep customer photos for decade+ with no login, I hope Google can store some text emails for at least 5 years.

Re: the jail/health issue, making sure Google doesn’t delete my account would (literally) be the last thing on my todo list if I were on my way to prison or a coma.

Re: Updating our inactive account policies

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Yes, let's profit from their misery and invest some of the proceeds to lobby for policies that secure and further grow this customer segment. /s

You make it sound like the only possible motivation a person might have to start such a business would be to exploit the incarcerated. What if the founder is a former inmate, and says “I wish there was something like that available when I was on the inside?” Even if the business is officially classified as “for-profit”, there’s a big difference between a business seeking a living wage for its founders and employees v…

> You make it sound like the only possible motivation a person might have to start such a business would be to exploit the incarcerated.

Initial motivations are irrelevant. At some point, the motivations of a business reduce to "make money", and anyone or anything that gets in the way of that doesn't matter, including your ethics and initial motivations.

There are lots of innocuous reasons why that happens. For example, you believe your business is doing good, right? So your business has to survive to keep doing good. And you need to make money to survive. So surely it's okay if you make it easy to pay for your service while you're in jail, perhaps by making deals with prisons to allow them to sign up in prison. Hm, that didn't work, prisons aren't doing it. Perhaps you can give prisons a cut of the sales for the service. And voila, now you're profiting from slave labor because the prisons just automatically deduct it from prisoner's pay, which is already below minimum wage, for work they can't opt out of. Of course you don't know that, so you hire 10 employees with your sudden influx of money and start expanding sales to more prison systems. And then you find out that your income stream is... not perfect, but now you've got a responsibility to your employees. McDonalds and JCrew do it, you're not doing anything worse than anyone else. And it's not exactly slavery--they're paid $1/hour (nevermind that a tampon in the commissary is $20). You're practically paying them, just with a service rather than money, right? And your business is doing good, so you have to do this, even if it's not perfect, so your business can survive and continue to do good!

The thing end-stage capitalist circles can't or won't understand is that if it's not this compromise, it's some other compromise or set of compromises. In any individual situation, doing good and making money might be compatible or incompatible, but there's only so many of those situations where you can choose good over money before your competitor knocks you out of the market.

"When you sit down in the studio to make money, God leaves the room." -Quincy Jones

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