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Majority of EU countries support scanning of audio communications

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Re: Majority of EU countries support scanning of audio communications

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It's sad that "think of the children" is still argument that works on some dumbasses.

It's equally sad that privacy advocates (of whom I am one) mostly refuse to acknowledge that CSAM is a real and measurable problem, which specifically exploits children's naïveté and lack of agency. 'Think of the children' should absolutely not be the only decision-making criterion, but it should absolutely be among such criteria.

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post #6
post #3

It's sad that "think of the children" is still argument that works on some dumbasses.

I tend to ignore "think of the children" pleas from people who outsource the education and supervision of their children to the state or other "non-parent providers."

Right it's not like children are ever abused by family members.

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I used to be a convinced pro-European but for me it's getting harder and harder to _not_ believe in some kind of plot for assuming total control over their citizens. Each and every EU regulation concerning "things digital" is pointing to a direction where "freedom" is just an empty buzzword used for virtue signalling against states like China. I am getting seriously concerned about things (not that i haven't been before).

Re: Majority of EU countries support scanning of audio communications

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post #3

It's sad that "think of the children" is still argument that works on some dumbasses.

It's equally sad that privacy advocates (of whom I am one) mostly refuse to acknowledge that CSAM is a real and measurable problem, which specifically exploits children's naïveté and lack of agency. 'Think of the children' should absolutely not be the only decision-making criterion, but it should absolutely be among such criteria.

You know what would help for real? Social workers, parents empowering on things digital, educative initiatives for all stakeholders and proper case-by-case prosecution by prosecution authorities that are not under-financed and overwhelmed. But hey, this way is easier and gives total government control into hands of possibly bad government actors in the future.

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In a few years, every pedophile will be able to create CSAM material indistinguishable from reality on their computer thanks to AI, therefore they won't need anymore to download it from the Internet. When this will occur, the powers that be could hardly use the protect-the-children argument to spy on citizens, since all material will be virtually created offline. I guess they're struggling to have draconian laws passed ASAP also for this reason.

Re: Majority of EU countries support scanning of audio communications

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I used to be a convinced pro-European but for me it's getting harder and harder to _not_ believe in some kind of plot for assuming total control over their citizens. Each and every EU regulation concerning "things digital" is pointing to a direction where "freedom" is just an empty buzzword used for virtue signalling against states like China. I am getting seriously concerned about things (not that i haven't been bef…

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Re: Majority of EU countries support scanning of audio communications

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I used to be a convinced pro-European but for me it's getting harder and harder to _not_ believe in some kind of plot for assuming total control over their citizens. Each and every EU regulation concerning "things digital" is pointing to a direction where "freedom" is just an empty buzzword used for virtue signalling against states like China. I am getting seriously concerned about things (not that i haven't been bef…

It is a difficult thing. Because of it's size, the EU often feels unnaccountable to me. Also the news does not focus on who votes for what or what their ideas in the EU are but only focusses on national level. And then the EU makes decisions that I dissagree with and it leaves a bad taste.

On the other hand, I believe the EU has so much potential and is a huge benefit overall

Re: Majority of EU countries support scanning of audio communications

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post #3

It's sad that "think of the children" is still argument that works on some dumbasses.

It's equally sad that privacy advocates (of whom I am one) mostly refuse to acknowledge that CSAM is a real and measurable problem, which specifically exploits children's naïveté and lack of agency. 'Think of the children' should absolutely not be the only decision-making criterion, but it should absolutely be among such criteria.

We do need better layered solutions here for sure. In the same way that we can't "defeat drug abuse" by jailing everyone, there needs to be a multitude of solutions at every interval to help. While I think privacy advocates are far more in favor of even looking for these solutions at all, it's also our duty to find and push these solutions because ultimately, others will not care. Optics are just too horrible, hence how swiftly these things move.

What's interesting is that recently privacy advocates have thankfully also recognized that "think of the children" can be a legitimate argument, and have been using it to fight against horrible solutions. But we really have to move past this and find better solutions, it can't be this endless tit for tat as "both sides" wind up losing.

Re: Majority of EU countries support scanning of audio communications

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post #6
post #3

It's sad that "think of the children" is still argument that works on some dumbasses.

I tend to ignore "think of the children" pleas from people who outsource the education and supervision of their children to the state or other "non-parent providers."

Alas, we are outnumbered by servants of the machine ;)

Re: Majority of EU countries support scanning of audio communications

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In a few years, every pedophile will be able to create CSAM material indistinguishable from reality on their computer thanks to AI, therefore they won't need anymore to download it from the Internet. When this will occur, the powers that be could hardly use the protect-the-children argument to spy on citizens, since all material will be virtually created offline. I guess they're struggling to have draconian laws pass…

Such material is already criminalised in the UK.
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