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Microsoft Says New AI Shows Signs of Human Reasoning

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Re: Microsoft Says New AI Shows Signs of Human Reasoning

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Not surprising at all. I throw a wall of code at GPT-4, write a paragraph of what i want it to do (I couldn't spend the time to figure out a good solution), and within a minute I had a great functioning solution perfectly integrated into my existing code. The surprising thing is not that it was able to code a good solution, it's that it was able to understand the specifications of how i wanted it to work and how it s…

Does it compile ? (the code generated)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm using chatgpt regularly. I use ml regularly. I know quite a lot of people doing this also. Why do you think we are at transistor age?

I don't think that people are using them says anything one way or another about what stage this tech is in. Lots of people used transistors on a daily basis in the form of radios and such back when transistors were brand new on the market.

Exactly. I don't even think it needs to be likened to the transistor age—why would an LLM be anything like an electronics component? The two things are not similar.

Assuming we're in the "transistor age" implies that things are going to get significantly better, and yet that's a very big assumption, IMO.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

AI is not at the stage of smartphones, it’s at the stages of the early transistor. It will grow because we have the data and the hardware to make it grow. But it appears that human intelligence is on a reverse trend, which is why it’s so easy to sell the idea that ai is intelligent and all of the bad scifi around it.

I'm using chatgpt regularly. I use ml regularly. I know quite a lot of people doing this also. Why do you think we are at transistor age?

> I'm using chatgpt regularly.

Wrong, you are not using chatgpt. You are training chatgpt. You are paying a fee simply because they cant scale yet - there are only that many gpus available - and they had to slow things down a bit but openai gains value in you improving its little bot.

Millions of people training a model and an ever increasing computing power means than in 10-20 years ai will be where computer games are today vs 20-30 years ago.

Hence my analogy to transistors. Ai is not going away but what needs to go away is companies such as openai and bad scifi believing mob.

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If anyone has read Blindsight by Peter Watts the hero encounters an alien that is pure reflex, no cognition. The alien is compared to the Chinese room thought experiment ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_room ). ChatGTP is the Chinese room. As you peel the onion you discover that some of the arguments around thought are really just semantics. My personal experience shows me that ChatGTP 4 is something of a fool…

Maybe you were not impressed by those chatgpt's answers, but I am. There's a lot of shifting goalposts going on when rating AIs responses.

You could say 'it is just a fool backed up with a good encyclopedia', but let's be honest, those responses could not come from a fool.

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If anyone has read Blindsight by Peter Watts the hero encounters an alien that is pure reflex, no cognition. The alien is compared to the Chinese room thought experiment ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_room ). ChatGTP is the Chinese room. As you peel the onion you discover that some of the arguments around thought are really just semantics. My personal experience shows me that ChatGTP 4 is something of a fool…

Maybe you were not impressed by those chatgpt's answers, but I am. There's a lot of shifting goalposts going on when rating AIs responses. You could say 'it is just a fool backed up with a good encyclopedia', but let's be honest, those responses could not come from a fool.

But the number and type of fundamental mistakes it makes (C maj. and F# maj. triads sharing a common tone??) are just not ones I can imagine a human with basic understanding of music theory making, which does point to some fundamental lack of ability to have any real understanding of what it's talking about.

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If anyone has read Blindsight by Peter Watts the hero encounters an alien that is pure reflex, no cognition. The alien is compared to the Chinese room thought experiment ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_room ). ChatGTP is the Chinese room. As you peel the onion you discover that some of the arguments around thought are really just semantics. My personal experience shows me that ChatGTP 4 is something of a fool…

I thought I was pretty knowledgeable in music theory but I'd not heard of the H transformation. I'm a bit nonplussed as to why it's even a thing, and indeed Google doesn't even find any hits in the first page describing it that I can see. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Riemannian_theory describes it as "the H relation", which sounds a bit more familiar, though I admit Neo- (vs regular!) Riemannian theory isn't something I ever studied.

Re: Microsoft Says New AI Shows Signs of Human Reasoning

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The problem is that people aren't able to use language consistently and precisely, and are conflating all kinds of human/animal characteristics together.

GPT-4 really does do human-like reasoning. And it's clearly quite general purpose within its limitations.

But it doesn't have many other aspects of humans/animals such as self-direction, high bandwidth senses, a stream of subjective experience, emotions, certain types of adaptivity, etc. It's not alive and it's not a digital person.

But people aren't able to separate all of those different things, so they can't admit that it has any kind of useful intelligence, because for them that means it's a digital person.

Actually it's even dumber, many people jump to assuming that it goes straight to god-like superintelligence if it has any intelligence at all. Which is another reason they can't admit there is any reasoning, because that would mean the end of the world or something.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is not much to fall for when you can test it for free already. I also watches the writer of the papers talk and it was a good talk. I also saw the progress of ml in the last 5 years and I have never seen something progressing that fast (besides Smartphones perhaps). So it's not far fetched that got 4 is not at the ceiling of doable. The opposite: chatgpt makes it much easier to get funding, the race is on

AI is not at the stage of smartphones, it’s at the stages of the early transistor. It will grow because we have the data and the hardware to make it grow. But it appears that human intelligence is on a reverse trend, which is why it’s so easy to sell the idea that ai is intelligent and all of the bad scifi around it.

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