I'm betting the professor is 60+ and has max font size on their phone.
Super ageist and offensive. Also likely false. Bachelor's degree 2014: https://inside.tamuc.edu/academics/cvsyllabi/cv/MummJared.pd...
Texas professor fails entire class from graduating- claiming they used ChatGTP
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Re: Texas professor fails entire class from graduating- claiming they used ChatGTP
#152This is a result of many people in the world, including a lot of people on HackerNews, talking ChatGPT up like it's an omniscient oracle.
While I agree with you, a teacher should at least know the basics of the world he/she is living in and the tools he/she is using.
That is what I'm saying.
Re: Texas professor fails entire class from graduating- claiming they used ChatGTP
#153The ability to 'cheat' on written assignments has always been a possibility. With the rise of the Internet, it became easier to source it from more places - with a counter balancing rise of plagiarism detectors. Now with Google, Grammarly and ChatGPT, it is trivial to copy/paste a pipeline with enough entropy to defeat many if not most detectors. I suspect the next generation of tools will be finish this cycle - we w…
“But I’m a bad test taker!”
I understand that everyone is different and that we should try to be accommodating overall, but it always cracked me up when select people could only thrive when they were at home with a take home test.
Re: Texas professor fails entire class from graduating- claiming they used ChatGTP
#154The amount of non-technical people who have very little intuition around the limitations of LLMs is actually fairly startling - and I like to think of myself of someone who is usually good at that kind of thing. The realistic/coherence of the output is just so convincing, people cannot seem to stop themselves from attributing a theory of mind to it. Just earlier this week I saw someone saying that they were creating…
> The amount of non-technical people who have very little intuition around the limitations of LLMs is actually fairly startling Is this surprising though? To be honest, I don’t think we have any such thing as “AI experts” currently. LeCun, Hinton, etc. were early pioneers in neural networks and Hutter did a lot of the first work with reinforcement learning, but none of these people seem to agree on much now with rega…
It isn't surprising to the least, and given how little humanity knows about quasi-human level intelligence, I would suggest taking any hard claims about limitations of LLMs with a grain of salt.
> Progress is increasingly driven by trying things and seeing what works rather than a theory-first approach, and whenever this occurs, a lot of mysticism tends to accompany the process.
This sounds wrong. It sounds as if you're arguing that empiricism and the usual scientific method ends up in mysticism. If it does, maybe the things we're creating should command that respect from us, as much as all other natural phenomena that we don't understand.
The traditional idea that many CS experts popularized that computers are just applied maths and you could infer anything on a computer with pure thought is wrong IMHO.
Re: Texas professor fails entire class from graduating- claiming they used ChatGTP
#155The professor clearly does not understand how LLMs work and his approach to catching cheats is flawed. The students should loudly complain about such an unscientific approach with unknown false-positive and false-negative rates. Cheating is a problem but relying on ChatGPT's own assessment is only warranted if proven accurate. In the absence of such a proof the Prof is full of sh*t.
Re: Texas professor fails entire class from graduating- claiming they used ChatGTP
#156Nothing in the professor’s message says or even implies the whole class was failed. Did people just stop learning how to read in the last few years?
Re: Texas professor fails entire class from graduating- claiming they used ChatGTP
#157Earlier quoted context omitted.
As someone who was a student over a decade ago, I'd lose my fucking mind if I had to use physical books. There was simply not enough time to go get books off the shelf and complete all my assignments. Everything was done digitally, I can't think of a single exception in college. I once turned in a math exam written using LaTeX and the professor initially declined to grade it. I did concede that I hadn't followed the…
I was a student more like 20 years ago. I had a lot of physical books as well. There's different use cases. If you are searching for a specific piece of information - digital all the way. If you are trying to digest material in a linear fashion, I find a physical book works better for me. Less distractions.
I've found that somewhat unexpectedly sometimes physical is faster for search.
With a physical book I might remember that the equation I'm looking for was near the bottom of a series of equations on the bottom half of a left hand page, and the right hand page had a particular graph, and this was somewhere in the third quarter of the book.
It is then just a matter of quickly fanning through that general region of the book to find it.
With digital I can do a digital search but it is hard to find search terms that don't return a ton of hits all through the book. As I read a digital book I don't get a sense of movement through it that I get from a physical book, so I'm less likely to be able to remember how far into the book what I seek should be.
Re: Texas professor fails entire class from graduating- claiming they used ChatGTP
#158Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is what you get by hyping ChatGPT without making clear what it does, can do, and can not do.
This is what you get if you can't make teachers embrace technology. Make it mandatory to use chatGPT for writing aid, do live tests to prove true knowledge.
This is what you get if you hire professors who assign writing exercises but are incapable of writing basic coherent emails with punctuation, and are unable to read the very plain text below a ChatGPT response that it may not be accurate.
Re: Texas professor fails entire class from graduating- claiming they used ChatGTP
#159Instead of failing them on this assignment, why not make them do an oral presentation and grade this assignment on that, if there is doubt?\ Failing them completely seems a bit heavy-handed and unfair. Surely some did leverage ChatGPT, but likely not all did so.
This might not be feasible depending on the size of the class. I had classes with 100-200 students. Most problems with education are simply due to scale. The most notable one being Bloom's finding that private tutoring produced 2 standard deviations better results than classroom education. We can kind of approximate that now with GPT :) One tutor per child!
> This might not be feasible depending on the size of the class. I had classes with 100-200 students.
American colleges regularly collect $10,000+ in fees per student, so I'm not sure why a 20 minute oral exam would be infeasible?
Re: Texas professor fails entire class from graduating- claiming they used ChatGTP
#160FYI, the reddit thread has someone claiming to do what I was thinking of doing -- submitting the professor's email to chatgpt to ask if the text itself is chatgpt's: https://imgur.com/a/NrwpZfh
Incredible, this is the correct response by the student(s).