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Re: Texas professor fails entire class from graduating- claiming they used ChatGTP

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Post by reaperman »

sidewndr46 wrote: post #39
binarymax wrote: post #20

To the teachers I know, I’ve been recommending that if they are paranoid about GPT, they can ask the students to cite material from a physical textbook in their assignments. Even if the students type the textbook into ChatGPT at least they read the material. This is beside the point of whether current education needs to be improved, and whether GPT is going to force some change here - but this is a useful stopgap. te…

As someone who was a student over a decade ago, I'd lose my fucking mind if I had to use physical books. There was simply not enough time to go get books off the shelf and complete all my assignments. Everything was done digitally, I can't think of a single exception in college. I once turned in a math exam written using LaTeX and the professor initially declined to grade it. I did concede that I hadn't followed the…

libgen.rs or Z-Library bridges the gap for most students by providing free digital versions of almost all physical textbooks. Thanks to these resources, requiring physical book citations would not be an onerous requirement at any point in the past ten years.

Re: Texas professor fails entire class from graduating- claiming they used ChatGTP

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Post by joshstrange »

macleginn wrote: post #48
thadt wrote: post #28

The ability to 'cheat' on written assignments has always been a possibility. With the rise of the Internet, it became easier to source it from more places - with a counter balancing rise of plagiarism detectors. Now with Google, Grammarly and ChatGPT, it is trivial to copy/paste a pipeline with enough entropy to defeat many if not most detectors. I suspect the next generation of tools will be finish this cycle - we w…

Seriously, though. Q to ChatGPT: ‘Was this text generated by ChatGPT? "The ability to 'cheat' on written assignments has always been a possibility. With the rise of the Internet, it became easier to source it from more places - with a counter balancing rise of plagiarism detectors. Now with Google, Grammarly and ChatGPT, it is trivial to copy/paste a pipeline with enough entropy to defeat many if not most detectors.…

Yeah I call bullshit (on the professor, not sure if you are saying you think the comment you replied to was also ChatGPT or if it's proof it's BS), I just ran 2 of my recent HN comments through it and it was wrong on both, I've never used ChatGPT to generate a comment.

Screenshot: https://cs.joshstrange.com/kYwbs4PZ

Comment 1: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35948736

Comment 2: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35930524

Re: Texas professor fails entire class from graduating- claiming they used ChatGTP

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Post by hammyhavoc »

sidewndr46 wrote: post #90
csjh wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All of my CS classes already have rules against AI (though they had a head start from copilot). A couple other non-STEM courses as well.

This would have been quite the quagmire for my education, as I was required to create AI for at least one class.

Was the AI that you created writing your paper though?

Re: Texas professor fails entire class from graduating- claiming they used ChatGTP

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Post by dehrmann »

nicenewtemp84 wrote: post #84
whateveracct wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The ability to 'cheat' on written assignments has always been a possibility. Right, and you have also always gotten a big fat F when you cheat.

I used to pay a classmate to write my papers. He'd just write two different ones. I even had a classmate take a physics midterm for me, after taking his own earlier in the day. The fact that professors don't check the identity of the person handing a paper in vs the name on the test is insanity. But thanks for the good grade I guess.

All the freshman engineering classes at my college checked ids when turning in exams.

Re: Texas professor fails entire class from graduating- claiming they used ChatGTP

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Post by NopeSlide »

boredemployee wrote: post #9

This is dumb as fuck. The said "teacher" should know that ChatGPT will give lots of false positives.

Said teacher is one person in a large crowd of people that are now using ChatGPT as a modern-day quiver of divining arrows.

I am not hopeful for the future if people are so ready to give up their own thinking to machines, who may develop emergent motives.

Re: Texas professor fails entire class from graduating- claiming they used ChatGTP

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Post by rjmunro »

adjav wrote: post #80
insanitybit wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ChatGPT can cite physical textbooks though

It can certainly make up things that look like citations. It definitely cannot produce a series of valid inline citations for specific quotes, rephrasings, or statistics.

It sometimes can if it has those books in it's training set. But it won't tell you it doesn't know, it will hallucinate a citation that doesn't exist.

Re: Texas professor fails entire class from graduating- claiming they used ChatGTP

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Post by RheingoldRiver »

sidewndr46 wrote: post #39
binarymax wrote: post #20

To the teachers I know, I’ve been recommending that if they are paranoid about GPT, they can ask the students to cite material from a physical textbook in their assignments. Even if the students type the textbook into ChatGPT at least they read the material. This is beside the point of whether current education needs to be improved, and whether GPT is going to force some change here - but this is a useful stopgap. te…

As someone who was a student over a decade ago, I'd lose my fucking mind if I had to use physical books. There was simply not enough time to go get books off the shelf and complete all my assignments. Everything was done digitally, I can't think of a single exception in college. I once turned in a math exam written using LaTeX and the professor initially declined to grade it. I did concede that I hadn't followed the…

Huh what major were you? As a math major we used exclusively physical books and it was fine. There was one time that the professor wanted us to use a theorem in a homework assignment from a book he neglected to assign to us for the class. The entire class collaborated on that problem set and emailed him for help, and he admitted he'd made a mistake and lent us a copy of the book. That was probably the biggest can't-use-the-internet mishap, but then again the rest of that set still took us about 24 hours to solve including with the TA's help and the professor ended up canceling the last homework out of 5 total because the 4th one was too hard. That was a great class.

> I once turned in a math exam written using LaTeX and the professor initially declined to grade it.

This is just weird though. I used LaTeX for the majority of my homeworks and also exams. It was about an even split between LaTeX and handwriting for math people iirc.

Re: Texas professor fails entire class from graduating- claiming they used ChatGTP

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Post by emptysongglass »

hammyhavoc wrote: post #76
Reason077 wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just had ChatGPT write me a poem, and then in a new session, pasted the poem back in and asked it if it wrote it. The response? "No, I did not write that poem. I am an AI language model, and I generate responses based on patterns and information in the data I have been trained on. I don't have the capability to write original poems or claim authorship of any specific text."

This is the key thing with the limitations of LLMs at present, it can't "remember" what it has or hasn't done, by design.

It doesn't "know" either. We continue to anthromopomorphize these models, which put uncredited doomsayers like Eliezer Yudkowsky on a pedestal.

Re: Texas professor fails entire class from graduating- claiming they used ChatGTP

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Post by kevviiinn »

reaperman wrote: post #96
kevviiinn wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've seen the same exact thing in HN comments where someone copied stats directly from chatgpt and then cited chatgpt

Some of these, and most of the twitter screen caps, were probably intended to be frivolous irony but were predictably taken seriously by a non-trivial percent of the audience.

In the instance I'm think of the commenter was definitely not trying to be ironic

Re: Texas professor fails entire class from graduating- claiming they used ChatGTP

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Post by hondo77 »

sidewndr46 wrote: post #39
binarymax wrote: post #20

To the teachers I know, I’ve been recommending that if they are paranoid about GPT, they can ask the students to cite material from a physical textbook in their assignments. Even if the students type the textbook into ChatGPT at least they read the material. This is beside the point of whether current education needs to be improved, and whether GPT is going to force some change here - but this is a useful stopgap. te…

As someone who was a student over a decade ago, I'd lose my fucking mind if I had to use physical books. There was simply not enough time to go get books off the shelf and complete all my assignments. Everything was done digitally, I can't think of a single exception in college. I once turned in a math exam written using LaTeX and the professor initially declined to grade it. I did concede that I hadn't followed the…

So it was impossible for students 30 years ago to complete their assignments because they only had access to physical books? How did any of them graduate?
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