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Re: Texas professor fails entire class from graduating- claiming they used ChatGTP

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Instead of failing them on this assignment, why not make them do an oral presentation and grade this assignment on that, if there is doubt?\ Failing them completely seems a bit heavy-handed and unfair. Surely some did leverage ChatGPT, but likely not all did so.

Been saying this for a while. There are very simple and effective ways to teach your class that can't be cheated with AI. These professors are simply lazy and uncreative.

Speaking as an (assistant) professor in theoretical CS, I see there are many bad approaches in the original post and mentioned in this discussion, but I strongly disagree with:

> There are very simple and effective ways to teach your class that can't be cheated with AI. These professors are simply lazy and uncreative.

I can attest to the following problems to good homework creation, from my own experiences playing with ChatGPT and teaching:

1. If you want to give a very illustrative yet easy theoretical exercise in algorithm design, one that computer scientists have solved over and over in the last few decades and which furthers your understanding, there are very likely solutions online and ChatGPT will give you the solution with very high probability.

2. If you create your own dataset and want the students to implement some algorithm and create a simple plot/discussion from the results, it will be very hard to distinguish a "student solved it on their own, but they did not invest too much time into it" submissions from ChatGPT submissions produced by a couple of queries.

3. Switching to oral presentations is hard to scale (as others attest) and also does not resolve much, because some students are perfectly okay with being handed a solution from somewhere (colleague, ChatGPT), not understanding it very well, and yet presenting it. Failing these students likely leads to overly difficult classes.

4. In-classroom exams without a computer work best, but they also do not scale very well (a lot of prep/correction needs to go into them) and some students with bad anxiety management skills, which includes me as a former student, dislike them passionately.

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As you can see, this topic is quite critical for my profession. The ugly truth is that university professors have only a very limited time allocated in their busy workweeks for teaching, and hence they have to take many shortcuts, including suboptimal homework sheets and limited innovation year-over-year. I also do not allocate as much time for philosophy of teaching/improving teaching skills as I would have liked.

If anyone here has novel ideas how to actually implement "a class that can't be cheated with AI", specifically university CS classes, I am all ears.

Re: Texas professor fails entire class from graduating- claiming they used ChatGTP

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Because this is a bad teacher not interested in doing their job.

Were expectations set ahead of time? (don't cheat?) If so, he's actually the best kind of teacher: allowing them to experience the real world but with soft consequences.

The real world where someone in power claims everyone they are responsible for educating is cheating in the 11th hour, provides no evidence and refuses to pass them even though they paid thousands of dollars?

Re: Texas professor fails entire class from graduating- claiming they used ChatGTP

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The ability to 'cheat' on written assignments has always been a possibility. With the rise of the Internet, it became easier to source it from more places - with a counter balancing rise of plagiarism detectors. Now with Google, Grammarly and ChatGPT, it is trivial to copy/paste a pipeline with enough entropy to defeat many if not most detectors. I suspect the next generation of tools will be finish this cycle - we w…

It's not even a matter of adaptation in some cases. Written tests have been around for a long time, even during the era of word processors and computers. Whether instructors wanted to use has been a matter of pedagogy.

Some of my philosophy exams 20+ years ago were written tests. You were given about twice as much time as you needed to write your arguments, which was fair to the slowest students. My CS courses for C programming were all written tests. You were expected to know the basic control structures and the standard libraries well enough to do this.

To be fair, this was before Blackboard and other learning management systems, but there's no reason we can't go back to this system across the board.

Re: Texas professor fails entire class from graduating- claiming they used ChatGTP

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because this is a bad teacher not interested in doing their job.

Were expectations set ahead of time? (don't cheat?) If so, he's actually the best kind of teacher: allowing them to experience the real world but with soft consequences.

Why does the expectation of not cheating matter when the claim that they cheated is itself in doubt? As far as we know, the students are being punished for the teacher's incompetence, not the consequences of their cheating.

Re: Texas professor fails entire class from graduating- claiming they used ChatGTP

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Frankly, most essays in MBA or almost any social science school can be outsourced to AI with a small context window so teachers need to get more creative; either force people to read more papers (larger context window) or make certain checkpoints throughout the assignment that need to continue context from previous portions in some specific ways.

Re: Texas professor fails entire class from graduating- claiming they used ChatGTP

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The ability to 'cheat' on written assignments has always been a possibility. With the rise of the Internet, it became easier to source it from more places - with a counter balancing rise of plagiarism detectors. Now with Google, Grammarly and ChatGPT, it is trivial to copy/paste a pipeline with enough entropy to defeat many if not most detectors. I suspect the next generation of tools will be finish this cycle - we w…

> The ability to 'cheat' on written assignments has always been a possibility.

Right, and you have also always gotten a big fat F when you cheat.

Re: Texas professor fails entire class from graduating- claiming they used ChatGTP

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The ability to 'cheat' on written assignments has always been a possibility. With the rise of the Internet, it became easier to source it from more places - with a counter balancing rise of plagiarism detectors. Now with Google, Grammarly and ChatGPT, it is trivial to copy/paste a pipeline with enough entropy to defeat many if not most detectors. I suspect the next generation of tools will be finish this cycle - we w…

Seriously, though.

Q to ChatGPT: ‘Was this text generated by ChatGPT? "The ability to 'cheat' on written assignments has always been a possibility. With the rise of the Internet, it became easier to source it from more places - with a counter balancing rise of plagiarism detectors. Now with Google, Grammarly and ChatGPT, it is trivial to copy/paste a pipeline with enough entropy to defeat many if not most detectors. I suspect the next generation of tools will be finish this cycle - we won't be able to build an arbitrary text distinguisher that works with acceptable accuracy."’

ChatGPT's answer: ‘Yes, the text you provided appears to have been generated by ChatGPT or a similar language model.’

Screenshot: https://imgur.com/jifRNE2

Re: Texas professor fails entire class from graduating- claiming they used ChatGTP

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This doesn’t sound like he’s failing the entire class. >If you are happy with your grade, simply do not turn in the next assignment

The next assignment will be run through ChatGPT as well, with presumably the same results - resulting in failure and escalation to the academic dishonesty office.
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