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Sam Altman goes before US Congress to propose licenses for building AI

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Re: Sam Altman goes before US Congress to propose licenses for building AI

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Post by elil17 »

vsareto wrote: post #210
elil17 wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, it will? Not universally, but for the specific products I work on we use additional labor when we include AI-enabled features (due to installing and wiring processors and sensors). I think that that the sorts of AI that smaller companies make will be more likely to create jobs as opposed to getting rid of them since they are more likely to be integrated with physical products.

>I mean, it will? It's complicated obviously, but I think "will create jobs" just leaves a lot of subtlety out of it, so I've never believed it when representatives say it and I wouldn't say it myself writing to them, but a small letter to a representative always will lack that fidelity. I don't think anyone can guarantee that there won't be job loss with AI, so it's possible we could have a net negative (in total jo…

I agree I didn't make this clear enough in my letter. I do think AI will cause job loss, I just think it will be worse if a few companies are allowed to have a monopoly on AI. If anyone can work on AI, hopefully people can make things for themselves/create AI in a way that retains some jobs.

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Post by dist-epoch »

srslack wrote: post #9

Imagine thinking that regression based function approximators are capable of anything other than fitting the data you give it. Then imagine willfully hyping up and scaring people who don't understand, and because it can predict words you take advantage of the human tendency to anthropomorphize, so it follows that it is something capable of generalized and adaptable intelligence. Shame on all of the people involved in…

Imagine thinking that a bunch of molecules grouped in a pattern are capable of anything but participating in chemical reactions.

Re: Sam Altman goes before US Congress to propose licenses for building AI

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Post by 0ct4via »

throwaway71271 wrote: post #154
elil17 wrote: post #129

This is the message I shared with my senator (edited to remove information which could identify me). I hope others will send similar messages. Dear Senator [X], I am an engineer working for [major employer in the state]. I am extremely concerned about the message that Sam Altman is sharing with the Judiciary committee today. Altman wants to create regulatory roadblocks to developing AI. My company produces AI-enabled…

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Pretty ignorant, pathetic, and asinine comment to make -- no wonder you're making it on a throwaway, coward ;)

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Post by tomrod »

unethical_ban wrote: post #190
fnordpiglet wrote: post #172

I don’t understand the need to control AI tech, no matter how advanced, in any way what-so-ever. It is a tool. If I use a tool for illegal purposes I have broken the law. I can be held accountable for having broken the law. If the laws are deficient, make the laws stronger and punish people for wrong deed, regardless of the tool at hand. This is a naked attempt to build a regulatory moat while capitalizing on fear of…

The below is not an endorsement of any particular regulation. It is a tool which allows any individual to have nearly instant access not only to all the world's public data, but the ability to correlate and research that data to synthesize new information quickly. Without guardrails, someone can have a completely amoral LLM that has the ability to write persuasive manifestos on any kind of extremist movement that pri…

> Without guardrails, someone can have a completely amoral LLM that has the ability to write persuasive manifestos on any kind of extremist movement that prior would have taken someone with intelligence.

In an earlier time, we called these "books" and there was some similar backlash. But I digress.

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Post by HDThoreaun »

Eisenstein wrote: post #126
chpatrick wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine thinking that NAND gates are capable of anything other than basic logic.

1. Explain why it is not possible for an incredibly large number of properly constructed NAND gates to think 2. Explain why it is possible for a large number of properly constructed neurons to think.

3. Explain the hard problem of consciousness.

Just because we don't understand how thinking works doesn't mean it doesn't work. LLMs have already shown the ability to use logic.

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Post by hervature »

uh_uh wrote: post #140
chaxor wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you think about the papers showing mathematical proofs that GNNs (i.e. GATs/transformers) are dynamic programmers and therefore perform algorithmic reasoning? The fact that these systems can extrapolate well beyond their training data by learning algorithms is quite different than what has come before, and anyone stating that they "simply" predict next token is severely shortsighted. Things don't have to be '…

I just don't get how the average HN commenter thinks (and gets upvoted) that they know better than e.g. Ilya Sutskever who actually, you know, built the system. I keep reading this "it just predicts words, duh" rhetoric on HN which is not at all believed by people like Ilya or Hinton. Could it be that HN commenters know better than these people?

No one is claiming to know better than Ilya. Just recognition of the fact that such a license would benefit these same individuals (or their employers) the most. I don't understand how HN can be so angry about a company that benefits from tax law (Intuit) advocating for regulation while also supporting a company that would benefit from an AI license (OpenAI) advocating for such regulation. The conflict of interest isn't even subtle. To your point, why isn't Ilya addressing the committee?

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Post by micromacrofoot »

adamsmith143 wrote: post #160
srslack wrote: post #9

Imagine thinking that regression based function approximators are capable of anything other than fitting the data you give it. Then imagine willfully hyping up and scaring people who don't understand, and because it can predict words you take advantage of the human tendency to anthropomorphize, so it follows that it is something capable of generalized and adaptable intelligence. Shame on all of the people involved in…

"It's just a stochastic parrot" is one of the dumbest takes on LLM's of all time.

What I don't understand about the dismissals is that a "stochastic parrot" is a big deal in its own right — it's not like we've been living in a world with abundant and competent stochastic parrots, this is very obviously a new and different thing. We have entire industries and professions that are essentially stochastic parrotry.
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