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Widely used chemical strongly linked to Parkinson’s disease

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Not sure I'd call it clickbait, and they do mention it right away. It'd be like putting a mathematical expression in the headline of an article about neural networks.

“Tricholoroethylene strongly linked to Parkinson”

This would give me less personal context than the original.

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Some of the most populated zones of the Bay Area are built on top of superfund sites, which have high concentration of TCE underground. https://www.epa.gov/superfund-redevelopment/superfund-sites-...

This map (from 2015) shows sites with the most TCE groundwater contamination. Bay Area is actually quite clean. LA is completely fucked though https://www.ewg.org/interactive-maps/2018-tce/

> This map (from 2015) shows sites with the most TCE groundwater contamination.

But note there was more than TCE at those superfund sites.

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TCE is present at Lowry in Denver, an old air force base that is now a huge development of multi-million dollar homes and townhomes. This article is from 2000, before the housing development began. People knew TCE was there but the housing development happened anyway https://extras.denverpost.com/news/news1126.htm It’s also at Stapleton, another huge residential area, and previously Denver’s primary airport: “At the…

Its certainly in the soil and groundwater - but why would it be in the air?

Because it is volatile.

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> However, your post also did not provide references. I was calling out the lies, not doing other people's research for them. People ought to understand that this stuff stays in the industrial pipeline for years (I'm avoiding the tangent that was brought to mind by another poster's mention of carbon tetrachloride...) and we are still in the process of simply classifying it according to its dangerousness. It's not clo…

Yes but it’s not a lie to say it was phased out in the 70s. Your comment would be more substantial and useful if you made whatever nuance you’re trying to highlight clear.

If the poster you responded to is right, it is in fact a lie to say it was phased out in any meaningful manner. I don't see this comment as unhelpful - if the use just didn't stop, that's that. What is there to discuss? It was poison, it's still poison.

it's in picrin [1], which is a spot cleaning solvent. You can buy that today.

A paper from 2020 indicates that it is still used and not banned [2]

[1] https://www.a-1products.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Picri...

[2] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7941732/

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Any chemists here know if use of TCE has been phased out in school and graduate labs? When I was doing my degree I recall benzene was out in favour of toluene - which adds a methyl group to the ring, massively reducing toxicity. I'm pretty sure we used TCE however, its distinct smell still lives in my memory, and the fact if you got any on your fingers you could taste/smell it within seconds. Butanoic acid was the ot…

It is deep in your brain now.

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This map (from 2015) shows sites with the most TCE groundwater contamination. Bay Area is actually quite clean. LA is completely fucked though https://www.ewg.org/interactive-maps/2018-tce/

Thanks for this. Kind of happy my state of GA has none!

https://ar.iiarjournals.org/content/35/7/4009

http://www.l-a-k-e.org/blog/2013/10/csx-groundwater-contamin...

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Widely used chemical *(that was generally phased out in the 70s) linked to Parkinson's. Still important, but you don't need to start searching product labels in 2023 for it.

TCE is present at Lowry in Denver, an old air force base that is now a huge development of multi-million dollar homes and townhomes. This article is from 2000, before the housing development began. People knew TCE was there but the housing development happened anyway https://extras.denverpost.com/news/news1126.htm It’s also at Stapleton, another huge residential area, and previously Denver’s primary airport: “At the…

There seems to be a crazy amount of chemical waste all over the metro Denver area. I don't live in Lowry, but I play hockey maybe once every 1 to 2 months at Big Bear Ice Arena, which is in that neighborhood.

There's also the Rocky Flats nuclear site, the chemical plant in Lakewood, and also the wildlife "refuge" north of the city.

Seems somewhat ironic given Colorado's reputation for pristine natural beauty.

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Some of the most populated zones of the Bay Area are built on top of superfund sites, which have high concentration of TCE underground. https://www.epa.gov/superfund-redevelopment/superfund-sites-...

I lived near the Fairchild superfund site for many years. I remember when it was a hollow husk of a concrete building. And then the paved it over and put a supermarket and whatnot there. Growing up I knew a lot of kids that were affected by it, they were called "fairchildren" or a "fairchild". I was born elsewhere and my family moved to the area, the kids that were born there weren't so lucky.

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Re: Widely used chemical strongly linked to Parkinson’s disease

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TCE is present at Lowry in Denver, an old air force base that is now a huge development of multi-million dollar homes and townhomes. This article is from 2000, before the housing development began. People knew TCE was there but the housing development happened anyway https://extras.denverpost.com/news/news1126.htm It’s also at Stapleton, another huge residential area, and previously Denver’s primary airport: “At the…

Its certainly in the soil and groundwater - but why would it be in the air?

Because water evaporates and TCE is particularly good at transmission through water vapor. That's my guess.

Re: Widely used chemical strongly linked to Parkinson’s disease

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Widely used chemical *(that was generally phased out in the 70s) linked to Parkinson's. Still important, but you don't need to start searching product labels in 2023 for it.

It's used in dry cleaning in the USA, and their suppliers will deliver it to you by the gallon [0]. MSDS of course [1]. If you're in Australia and go to the dentist, there's this as well [2] although surely that container with its death's head and POISON label are kept well out of sight. Of course there's the lab supply chain, but that's usually more expensive. It's really easy and legal to get if you want it. I've known many mechanics and similar, professional and otherwise who use workaround sources like these to get the "good stuff" degreaser.

[0] https://garmentcleaningsupply.com/picrin-1-gal-streets.html

[1] http://www.cleanairsupply.com/CleanAir_Web_Image/Chemical/MS...

[2] https://henryschein.com.au/impression/accessories/finale-sol...

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