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Anonymous plans to take down the 13 root DNS servers that power the Internet?

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Re: Anonymous plans to take down the 13 root DNS servers that power the Internet?

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Isn't their example of google that won't be affected? I was under the impression that very few DNS queries actually go to the root nameservers as ISP's and so on have it all cached. And since I highly doubt there is any ISP that has not had a user visit google.com in the last 48 hours, Google will still function for people?

In fact, the only people I can see this affecting (in the unlikely event it does happen) are people setting up new sites.

Re: Anonymous plans to take down the 13 root DNS servers that power the Internet?

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Most interesting bit : The principle is simple; a flaw that uses forged UDP packets is to be used to trigger a rush of DNS queries all redirected and reflected to those 13 IPs. The flaw is as follow; since the UDP protocol allows it, we can change the source IP of the sender to our target, thus spoofing the source of the DNS query. The DNS server will then respond to that query by sending the answer to the spoofed IP…

Where could we find more information about those 13 servers? Why are there only 13 of them?

Re: Anonymous plans to take down the 13 root DNS servers that power the Internet?

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I'm pretty sure every hacker group has gotten this idea at one point or another. Has anyone even come close to taking down all the root DNS servers at once?

It has indeed been attempted in the past. If memory serves me well, the best hackers could do was take 3 of the 13 out at the same time.

Re: Anonymous plans to take down the 13 root DNS servers that power the Internet?

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post #3

does this mean, that even if we typed the IP address of a site, we would get an error? i'm not sure how all the protocols work, so any clarification would be great.

No, you could still get to the site with just an IP address, if you have it.

ok, thanks for the clarification. what confused me was "thus, disabling the HTTP Internet"

i'm kinda glad they're attempting this, IMO. i'm tired of ignorant people not understanding what the "web" really is, and how important it is to keep it free and open. sure, this might make "hackers" look bad, but honestly, if we sit back and do nothing, then we cannot complain when laws are passed, etc..

if they pull this off, it will be a historic day, no?

Re: Anonymous plans to take down the 13 root DNS servers that power the Internet?

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hmm..and people here on HN say they aren't a digital terrorist group.....

While the DOS discussed in that link is quite obviously misguided, counterproductive, juvenile and likely criminal, 'terrorism' seems like a pretty strong word.

What is the purpose of the action if not to create some small amount of terror on the part of "our irresponsible leaders"?

Re: Anonymous plans to take down the 13 root DNS servers that power the Internet?

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post #13
post #9

Most interesting bit : The principle is simple; a flaw that uses forged UDP packets is to be used to trigger a rush of DNS queries all redirected and reflected to those 13 IPs. The flaw is as follow; since the UDP protocol allows it, we can change the source IP of the sender to our target, thus spoofing the source of the DNS query. The DNS server will then respond to that query by sending the answer to the spoofed IP…

Where could we find more information about those 13 servers? Why are there only 13 of them?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Root_nameserver should answer most of your questions.

Re: Anonymous plans to take down the 13 root DNS servers that power the Internet?

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post #3

does this mean, that even if we typed the IP address of a site, we would get an error? i'm not sure how all the protocols work, so any clarification would be great.

No, you could still get to the site with just an IP address, if you have it.

If the site is using name-based virtual hosting, then you'll have to add a new entry to your hosts file. Otherwise you likely will get an error.

Re: Anonymous plans to take down the 13 root DNS servers that power the Internet?

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post #9

Most interesting bit : The principle is simple; a flaw that uses forged UDP packets is to be used to trigger a rush of DNS queries all redirected and reflected to those 13 IPs. The flaw is as follow; since the UDP protocol allows it, we can change the source IP of the sender to our target, thus spoofing the source of the DNS query. The DNS server will then respond to that query by sending the answer to the spoofed IP…

Where could we find more information about those 13 servers? Why are there only 13 of them?

Here.[1] Most of them are not single-box servers, but cluster with multisite redundancy. That's why all attacks were unsuccessful in the past.

1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Root_name_server

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