Digital Audio Workstation Front End Development Struggles

Post by truckerbill » Tue, May 16, 2023, 9:13 AM UTC

andrewmcwatters wrote: post #16

chaosprint wrote: post #13

DAW is so challeging! But in terms of audio effect plugins, I think EGUI is usable already. Here is a Dattorro reverb VST plugin written in Rust with egui and glicol_synth: https://youtu.be/DLFO4dXzKsg Since EGUI can be used almost every where, I also made an experimental front end for Glicol music language with EGUI: https://glicol-egui.netlify.app/ There are many features missing, compared with HTML/CSS: https://gl…

I don't think you can meaningfully use immediate-mode GUIs for anything related to compositing work. If you're creating debug UIs or basic UIs at best, you're fine. That might actually work out alright for DAWs, but if you want sophisticated user-interfaces where you can add effects to things, you need to start retaining graphics data, and so many people advocating for these old school immediate-mode GUI libraries ju…

Post by devjab » Tue, May 16, 2023, 9:39 AM UTC

samwillis wrote: post #44

devjab wrote: post #30

> Both Javascript and the DOM are slow, there's no changing that. The DOM isn't slow. Adding or removing a DOM node is literally a few point swaps, which isn't much more than setting a property on an OOP language object. What is slow is "layout". When Javascript changes something and hands control back to the browser it invokes its CSS recalc, layout, repaint and finally recomposition algorithms to redraw the screen.…

> Frameworks like React with virtual DOMs help you by redrawing on every state change, which will typically both speed things up significantly and also carry you through a lot of things that would break if you were using non virtual DOM frameworks A virtual DOM based framework will not be faster than manual DOM manipulation with either vanilla JS or even JQuery. It certainly makes development easier, and massively re…

Post by samwillis » Tue, May 16, 2023, 9:57 AM UTC

devjab wrote: post #123

samwillis wrote: post #44

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> Frameworks like React with virtual DOMs help you by redrawing on every state change, which will typically both speed things up significantly and also carry you through a lot of things that would break if you were using non virtual DOM frameworks A virtual DOM based framework will not be faster than manual DOM manipulation with either vanilla JS or even JQuery. It certainly makes development easier, and massively re…

You wrote this later and I apologise for bringing it up here: > a correctly implemented pure DOM manipulation app you would update the DOM once to match your state, that's faster than building a VDOM and diffing it Bur that is sort of my point. Maybe I could have been clearer about it, but my intend was to say that the VDOM frameworks are faster (or perhaps safer is the right word) for people who aren’t doing things…

Post by wokwokwok » Tue, May 16, 2023, 10:10 AM UTC

ogoffart wrote: post #54

Slint dev here. I'm a bit disappointed to see that Slint is considered a non-starter. In fact, one of our users is currently working on exactly that (a VST plugin for an audio application) and they are about to release it very soon. Unfortunately, I can't share a link until it's officially released. The author seems to dismiss declarative UI without explaining why. From my perspective, declarative is the best way to…

Post by TheOtherHobbes » Tue, May 16, 2023, 10:21 AM UTC

jupp0r wrote: post #87

usernew wrote: post #38

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Alright, here's I want you to do. It'll be interesting and fun, you'll make something cool, it's free, and then you'll come back and look at your comment and reply with a "/s." Download pirated copies of protools and melodyne, and a bunch of virtual instrument libraries from torrents. Download a midi file for a song you like, dump it into protools. Record yourself singing, right on the PC or headset mic - no need to…

Until last year, I worked on a team that built an electron app for video conferencing with a double digit million user base. We did audio processing (mixing, RNN noise reduction) via WebAudio in WASM. This is in production right now as far as I know and adds very little latency. That being said, this is about GUI. No reason not to do as much native processing as your heart desires outside of your GUI layer.