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Re: TikTok Owner Had 'Backdoor' for CCP Access to US Data, Lawsuit Alleges

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Post by wmidwestranger »

Guthur wrote: post #369
quarok wrote: post #321

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My understanding of Plato's cave is that it is about the disparity between the ideas in our head and reality. For example, you know what a triangle is, but there is no such thing as a triangle in the world, only imperfect shapes with three sides that approximate a triangle. This means that it is not "most people stay in the cave" - it is, "we all stay in the cave because it is impossible to bridge the gap between the…

I thought it was a circle rather than a triangle.

Take that, Pythagoras!

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Post by bostonsre »

ok123456 wrote: post #400
bostonsre wrote: post #399

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see what the Irish famine has to do with the mao's "mistakes". Trying to distract from the conversation by talking about other atrocities doesn't prove any point. It was an economic protest by students? Did thousands die by the hands of tanks and rifles? Or was it peacefully disbanded? Why aren't you allowed to even mention it China if it was so benign? I'm guessing you aren't living there right now or else y…

>I don't see what the Irish famine has to do with the mao's "mistakes". Trying to distract from the conversation by talking about other atrocities doesn't prove any point. I was just responding to your non-sequitur about the great leap forward. One was a earnest policy failure. The other was imposed to maintain a colonial mercantile arrangement, which killed two orders of magnitude more on a per-capital basis. Should…

> Should we impose economic sanctions against the UK for their human rights abuses?

Are they doing this now? No. Is the CCP committing genocide now? Yes.

> It was widely reported on state media. You can mention it, just like the other economic protests earlier in the 1980s. It just doesn't have the cultural and historical significance that the people in Washington with lanyards, and people who consume nothing but propaganda think it has.

Can you show me some examples of discussions about tianamen square in Chinese social media to show that any conversations that don't follow the party line are allowed?

Was the "economic" protest not put down with extreme force and did thousands of people not die?

> Is the existence of prisons in the US an obvious sign of a genocide against African Americans?

You are ignoring my question that is trying to get the heart of this whole conversation, the genocide taking place in xinjiang and with some distracting question. Your government has admitted to building these as "reeducation" facilities and a large population is getting oppressed and processed through these. These facilities exist, there is a ton of evidence to support it. There are guard towers, walls, armed guards, etc. Are you asserting these prisons are empty?

Re: TikTok Owner Had 'Backdoor' for CCP Access to US Data, Lawsuit Alleges

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Post by jimkleiber »

bboygravity wrote: post #96
jimkleiber wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's about knowing what people are interested in and having an algorithm that can control what people see and to try to nudge them to be more/less interested in certain things. Eugene Wei's article [0] helped me see how TikTok uses more of an interest graph, whereas many of the other platforms use more social graphs. By this, I think he means that TikTok cares much more about knowing what people are intereste…

can control what people see and to try to nudge them to be more/less interested in certain things. You mean like mainstream media has done for decades?

Yes, now just imagine if mainstream media could create millions of TV channels specifically designed for each human being instead of broadcasting one channel to millions of human beings?

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Post by mardifoufs »

reducesuffering wrote: post #410
mardifoufs wrote: post #408

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If I say that I was affiliated with Al Qaïda? In any case it is much more likely to get droned by the US than by China, no matter how unlikely it is in the absolute.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-and-bailey_fallacy And 24 million Taiwanese are far less likely to die due to US invasion of them.

What? Are you linking to the fallacy you yourself just used? I was talking about the middle east, so that's a pretty weird deflection. I guess it's fine if the US invades middle eastern countries and drones civilians as long as they are on Taiwan's side? What

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Post by throwaway2990 »

mardifoufs wrote: post #414
reducesuffering wrote: post #410

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-and-bailey_fallacy And 24 million Taiwanese are far less likely to die due to US invasion of them.

What? Are you linking to the fallacy you yourself just used? I was talking about the middle east, so that's a pretty weird deflection. I guess it's fine if the US invades middle eastern countries and drones civilians as long as they are on Taiwan's side? What

You asked if you said you were Al Qaïda. You’re saying “I’m part of a terrorist organization” and expecting not to get flagged?

I’m talking about disagreeing with the government. If you called out Biden for being worse than trump and he touches children and sniffs their hair. Nothing will happen to you. If you did that to Xi. You would end up in a reeducation camp.

But you’re like “how come I can’t claim to be part of a terrorist organization and then still travel to America”

Not even remotely similar.

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Post by jsdeveloper »

1101010010 wrote: post #56
jsdeveloper wrote: post #47

Will you install a secuirty camera in your daughters room, specifically when the the camera comes from country with most leaked cam footage!(where various reports argue that State is involved in such leaks)

Are there even IP cameras manufactured domestically to even choose? I have some inside my home (pointed at exterior doors; not inside bedrooms which seems borderline creepy and/or sadistic), but they're not connected to public networks and thus I don't consider them a risk.

I was giving an analogy. You won't risk installing any camera near to your kids, so is similar is the risk of handing mobile phone with a camera, which is capable of spying them/software that modulate them all the time! Blue Whale was an example which forced people to commit suicide. In TikTok's case the probability of immoral use is the most. As its has a connection with CCP, or is obliged to co-operate if required with CCP. Not juts USA, many countries had its suspecision with this APP. Ignoring all that why would any one wanted to risk there kids with this one specific APP ?

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Post by jsdeveloper »

WarOnPrivacy wrote: post #161
jsdeveloper wrote: post #47

Will you install a secuirty camera in your daughters room, specifically when the the camera comes from country with most leaked cam footage!(where various reports argue that State is involved in such leaks)

I would never put a camera in my kids' rooms. We've learned to prioritize our security on measured (not bullhorned) risk factors.

I was giving an analogy. You won't risk installing any camera near to your kids, so is similar is the risk of handing mobile phone with a camera, which is capable of spying them/software that modulate them all the time! Blue Whale was an example which forced people to commit suicide.

Re: TikTok Owner Had 'Backdoor' for CCP Access to US Data, Lawsuit Alleges

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Post by mardifoufs »

throwaway2990 wrote: post #415
mardifoufs wrote: post #414

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What? Are you linking to the fallacy you yourself just used? I was talking about the middle east, so that's a pretty weird deflection. I guess it's fine if the US invades middle eastern countries and drones civilians as long as they are on Taiwan's side? What

You asked if you said you were Al Qaïda. You’re saying “I’m part of a terrorist organization” and expecting not to get flagged? I’m talking about disagreeing with the government. If you called out Biden for being worse than trump and he touches children and sniffs their hair. Nothing will happen to you. If you did that to Xi. You would end up in a reeducation camp. But you’re like “how come I can’t claim to be part o…

If I say death to America, unironically and openly from Syria or Yemen or most of the middle east I'll absolutely get flight restricted. My example about saying that I was part of Al Qaïda was about getting droned, not just get on a no fly list.

Again, from the middle east the US is a much bigger threat. China isn't, at all. There is no denying that and no amount of "but you have free speech in the US!!" Matters in this context

Re: TikTok Owner Had 'Backdoor' for CCP Access to US Data, Lawsuit Alleges

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Post by scrum-treats »

jchook wrote: post #103

TikTok is allegedly staffed with dozens of ex-FBI, CIA, and US State Department officials who moderate content[1]. Somehow PRISM and the closed-doors FISA court hearings, Lavabit, etc seem to be collectively memory-holed by USians. Nowadays their anxiety about state surveillance is reserved for the "CCP". 1. https://www.mintpressnews.com/tiktok-chinese-trojan-horse-ru...

Agreed. It's also evident in the types of propaganda that appear, at least on my FYP. I guess they are running out of fresh spins on the old psyops wheel of manipulation.

Re: TikTok Owner Had 'Backdoor' for CCP Access to US Data, Lawsuit Alleges

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Post by scrum-treats »

bioemerl wrote: post #34
amelius wrote: post #30

Meanwhile, the CCP can just open their huge wallets and pay US-based data-brokers for all the private information of US citizens that they ever dreamed of ...

Please don't use the fact that there are other imperfections in the system to prevent this one from getting fixed.

Please don't use your naivety as a shield from recognizing a purposeful "gap" in implementation, across all social media we consume in the US (as well as technological devices), as dictated by the US government.
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