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EPFL cancels Stallman's lecture citing “the situation regarding” his persona

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Re: EPFL cancels Stallman's lecture citing “the situation regarding” his persona

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>We've seen your feedback on Richard Stallman's conference. We are very sorry to be so late in realizing the extent of the implications of organizing this event.

I personally don't like the guy, but to take away his views for the people that were genuinely interested was cowardly.

Re: EPFL cancels Stallman's lecture citing “the situation regarding” his persona

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We live in a new age, where we can know a lot more about the personal lives of famous people. Decades ago, the problematic personalities of famous people were hidden by the gate keepers. JKF benefited from this. It would be nice if there was a more uniform way to handle situations like this. RMS isn't alone, in being accused of unsavory things. Should we shun Bill Gates because of his relationship with Jeffrey Epstei…

> Should we shun Bill Gates because of his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein? In my opinion, yes, absolutely.

Have you or anyone else been able to confirm the relationship was what you imply it was, or are you advocating guilt by association?

Re: EPFL cancels Stallman's lecture citing “the situation regarding” his persona

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman#Controversies probably covers it I'm guessing.

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There are many factually accurate statements that are, nevertheless, inappropriate to wildly inappropriate under the circumstances. I have personally interacted with rms decades ago and have a generally positive impression of his entire body of contributions to computing. Nevertheless, reading the controversies section on the wikipedia page induces a combination of cringing and face-palming.

Someone researching the science of attraction in humans could very well be justified in saying "it is normal for adults to be physically attracted to adolescents".

Someone commenting in apparent defense of a convicted sex offender should not make that exact same claim, whether factually correct or not.

Re: EPFL cancels Stallman's lecture citing “the situation regarding” his persona

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Bill Gates had bonds with Epstein. His multi decade marriage fell after the fact became public. He didn't get 1% the flak that Stallman had for commenting about a word to describe Marvin Minsky.

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This is in reply to the GP, which was inappropriately flag-killed.

The difference is probably that Stallman has no money or power, so he's an easy, safe target to attack.

Re: EPFL cancels Stallman's lecture citing “the situation regarding” his persona

#37
TBH in Europe "canceling" a meeting is quite common in French and Italian, while the social media inclined "woke" version is almost never used. The title is in French and I think it reflects the most common usage of the verb here, to void a meeting.

Re: EPFL cancels Stallman's lecture citing “the situation regarding” his persona

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post #11

We live in a new age, where we can know a lot more about the personal lives of famous people. Decades ago, the problematic personalities of famous people were hidden by the gate keepers. JKF benefited from this. It would be nice if there was a more uniform way to handle situations like this. RMS isn't alone, in being accused of unsavory things. Should we shun Bill Gates because of his relationship with Jeffrey Epstei…

> Should we shun Bill Gates because of his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein? In my opinion, yes, absolutely.

I mean, as far as we know, that's what his wife did, right? Or is that just Internet wisdom?

Re: EPFL cancels Stallman's lecture citing “the situation regarding” his persona

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Should we shun Bill Gates because of his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein? In my opinion, yes, absolutely.

Have you or anyone else been able to confirm the relationship was what you imply it was, or are you advocating guilt by association?

I'm not sure what you think I'm implying about their relationship.

It is well-known that Gates continued to associate with Epstein after the latter was convicted of procuring a child for prostitution. There doesn't really need to be anything else to the story in my opinion.

(Editing to be clearer: I don't think he is guilty of Epstein's crimes by association. I think he is guilty of associating with Epstein while being aware of some of his horrible crimes. I'm not saying he needs to be locked up over this, just that I don't trust him, and I question the judgment of people who do.)

Re: EPFL cancels Stallman's lecture citing “the situation regarding” his persona

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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There are many factually accurate statements that are, nevertheless, inappropriate to wildly inappropriate under the circumstances. I have personally interacted with rms decades ago and have a generally positive impression of his entire body of contributions to computing. Nevertheless, reading the controversies section on the wikipedia page induces a combination of cringing and face-palming. Someone researching the s…

This is a classic motte and bailey: "it's normal for adults to be attracted to adolescents" used to defend "it was reasonable for a fat CS prof in his 70s to believe a young minor on Epstein's island wanted to have sex with him absent any coercion going on (or for Stallman to advance this idea)."
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