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EPFL cancels Stallman's lecture citing “the situation regarding” his persona

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Re: EPFL cancels Stallman's lecture citing “the situation regarding” his persona

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Did Stallman do anything new that offended certain political persuasions, or is this cancellation only due to previous controversies/peculiarities?

Edit: the level of downvotes/flag-kills of comments just asking "why" and "what happened" is pretty depressing.

Re: EPFL cancels Stallman's lecture citing “the situation regarding” his persona

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To those asking, last I heard from Stallman were his comments in the MIT CSAIL mailing list after the Epstein fallout basically of the theme: “some of them surely liked it”.

As far as I’m aware he was ousted from MIT soon after, though the folks who actually signed the checks to/from Epstein faced no such consequences. This is America.

https://www.theverge.com/2019/9/17/20870050/richard-stallman...

Re: EPFL cancels Stallman's lecture citing “the situation regarding” his persona

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post #5

Anyone have a background summary? Last I heard he kept a mattress in his office and asked people to lay on it, and he had a stupid neutral pronoun idea he was very insistent on using. Has something stranger come up?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman#Controversies probably covers it I'm guessing.

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Re: EPFL cancels Stallman's lecture citing “the situation regarding” his persona

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post #11

We live in a new age, where we can know a lot more about the personal lives of famous people. Decades ago, the problematic personalities of famous people were hidden by the gate keepers. JKF benefited from this. It would be nice if there was a more uniform way to handle situations like this. RMS isn't alone, in being accused of unsavory things. Should we shun Bill Gates because of his relationship with Jeffrey Epstei…

> Should we shun Bill Gates because of his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein?

In my opinion, yes, absolutely.

Re: EPFL cancels Stallman's lecture citing “the situation regarding” his persona

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post #9

Literally canceled. Perhaps having an eternal memory of everything bad human beings ever do in their entire lives to be summoned up to destroy people is not such a good idea.

if this is referring to his past controversies, i fail to see how this is 'cancel culture'. if he says controversial shit that other organizations dont want to be associated with, its up to him to deal with the consequences of that. he has the right to express his views just like anyone else has the right to not want to be associated with him and those views.

Re: EPFL cancels Stallman's lecture citing “the situation regarding” his persona

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post #9

Literally canceled. Perhaps having an eternal memory of everything bad human beings ever do in their entire lives to be summoned up to destroy people is not such a good idea.

I think the intent of folks in this situation is not to look for targets for career destruction, but help prevent new people from being exposed to harm. In that context, a more accessible record of public figures' harmful acts seems like a net positive

Re: EPFL cancels Stallman's lecture citing “the situation regarding” his persona

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post #21

Did Stallman do anything new that offended certain political persuasions, or is this cancellation only due to previous controversies/peculiarities? Edit: the level of downvotes/flag-kills of comments just asking "why" and "what happened" is pretty depressing.

Stallman made some remarks defending Marvin Minsky (very poorly) from victims' allegations that he abused young girls on Epstein's island.

Meanwhile, Reid Hoffman is now known to have visited the island and has not seen any firestorm of cancellations, as far as I'm aware.

Re: EPFL cancels Stallman's lecture citing “the situation regarding” his persona

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post #21

Did Stallman do anything new that offended certain political persuasions, or is this cancellation only due to previous controversies/peculiarities? Edit: the level of downvotes/flag-kills of comments just asking "why" and "what happened" is pretty depressing.

Stallman made some remarks defending Marvin Minsky (very poorly) from victims' allegations that he abused young girls on Epstein's island. Meanwhile, Reid Hoffman is now known to have visited the island and has not seen any firestorm of cancellations, as far as I'm aware.

> Stallman made some remarks defending Marvin Minsky from victims' allegations that he abused young girls on Epstein's Island.

Recently, or years ago? Because I'm pretty sure those remarks happened years ago.

Re: EPFL cancels Stallman's lecture citing “the situation regarding” his persona

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post #11

We live in a new age, where we can know a lot more about the personal lives of famous people. Decades ago, the problematic personalities of famous people were hidden by the gate keepers. JKF benefited from this. It would be nice if there was a more uniform way to handle situations like this. RMS isn't alone, in being accused of unsavory things. Should we shun Bill Gates because of his relationship with Jeffrey Epstei…

> Should we shun Bill Gates because of his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein? In my opinion, yes, absolutely.

Not just shun, but regard with the utmost suspicion!

Re: EPFL cancels Stallman's lecture citing “the situation regarding” his persona

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To those asking, last I heard from Stallman were his comments in the MIT CSAIL mailing list after the Epstein fallout basically of the theme: “some of them surely liked it”. As far as I’m aware he was ousted from MIT soon after, though the folks who actually signed the checks to/from Epstein faced no such consequences. This is America. https://www.theverge.com/2019/9/17/20870050/richard-stallman...

The arguments in the character assassination campaign were found baseless[0][1][2].

But the cancelation crowd's witch hunt continues even today.

[0] https://stallmansupport.org/debunking-false-accusations-agai...

[1] https://geoff.greer.fm/2019/09/30/in-defense-of-richard-stal...

[2] https://itsfoss.com/richard-stallman-controversy/

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