I read a lot so I am glad there are people who still write for a living. Sadly the internet started off free, and now we are stuck with ads everywhere and paying writers a decent wage is becoming harder.
Writing: Good career move, terrible career (2018)
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Re: Writing: Good career move, terrible career (2018)
#32Technical writers do pretty well; we don’t make as much as engineers, but the pay is nothing to sneeze at. My friends who write blog posts, industry reports, and other corporate content (also usually in the software industry) do reasonably well too. But all the other writers I know are struggling.
What’s interesting to me is that the struggling writers have jobs that most people would find more exciting than what I do: they write essays, or fiction, or they’re journalists at Conde Nast publications. Unless you’re a particular kind of nerd, interviewing SMEs and writing quickstart guides is a lot less glamorous than interviewing public figures and having your name featured in bylines.
In some ways it does seem like the perceived glamor of these jobs is a double-edged sword: the allure of what you do makes it less likely that you’ll jump ship to something less exciting but more lucrative (similar to how game industry devs tend to make less than regular software engineers, from what I’ve heard—you can exploit people’s enthusiasm), and the fact that it’s a cool job means everyone else is also trying to do it (also not unlike the game industry—if you won’t take the job for subpar pay, there’s ten other people lined up who will). There’s a lot of competition, and that subtly devalues your own work, even if the work you do is better than your peers’. Also, not at all to denigrate what my non-technical writer friends do, but jobs that are “just” writing get flooded with applicants because everyone thinks they can write. The barrier to entry is, ostensibly, pretty low, even if most people are poorer writers than they realize and even if most writing jobs require skills beyond simply writing.
Although lately I have seen an influx of people with no experience in the software industry or related tools assuming that it’s easy to break into technical writing; I wonder if the job’s been showing up on those “10 Easy Roles Anyone Can Do From Home” listicles or something. You do have to be a competent writer, of course, but half of my job is working on pull requests and building awful little React components for our docs site.
Re: Writing: Good career move, terrible career (2018)
#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
It’s probably the same deal as with LLMs generating code: it can crank out something that’s probably broken, and the person using the LLM needs to be able to know how to code to see where it’s broken. Companies might be able to reduce the headcount of programmers / copywriters / artists but certainly not replace them right now (or possibly ever).
I suspect that a coordination between a human programmer and an LLM doesn't require strong programming skills, but it does require strong debugging fundamentals. A month ago I had ChatGPT write a function in Racket just given a text description. Take two lists of symbols of any arbitrary length (but only if both lists are the same size) and construct a new list which selects one at random from the other two lists at…
Something that experienced (and expensive) programmers are good at, incidentally.
Re: Writing: Good career move, terrible career (2018)
#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
My wife's employer has experimented with ChatGPT writing. Their experience has been it's way slower to use it in any but very limited ways, and having non-writers/editors try to use it to do the job of writers it is a disaster. I think you need just the right combo of task and worker to actually see a notable speed improvement from it... unless the job is "write huge amounts of bullshit", which some jobs truly are (a…
It’s probably the same deal as with LLMs generating code: it can crank out something that’s probably broken, and the person using the LLM needs to be able to know how to code to see where it’s broken. Companies might be able to reduce the headcount of programmers / copywriters / artists but certainly not replace them right now (or possibly ever).
And writing code is the easy part. Architecting is where things get tricky and there are a lot of subjective decisions to be made. That's where soft skills become really important.
Re: Writing: Good career move, terrible career (2018)
#35For the HN crowd there's probably a more realistic path toward writing as a career: self-publishing technical books. [By one year after publishing my first book]( https://jeremykun.com/2019/12/01/a-good-year-for-a-programme... ), I had sold 11k copies, and with self publishing you get a much bigger royalty from each copy, drastically lowering the bar for financial success. I expect my second book to do even better, b…
Re: Writing: Good career move, terrible career (2018)
#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
I suspect that a coordination between a human programmer and an LLM doesn't require strong programming skills, but it does require strong debugging fundamentals. A month ago I had ChatGPT write a function in Racket just given a text description. Take two lists of symbols of any arbitrary length (but only if both lists are the same size) and construct a new list which selects one at random from the other two lists at…
> strong debugging fundamentals Something that experienced (and expensive) programmers are good at, incidentally.
Full transparency: I think I'm one of those bad programmers who is a good debugger, but I've also been a full-time Linux nerd since Ubuntu 8.04, so I'm very comfortable reading error messages.
Re: Writing: Good career move, terrible career (2018)
#37I have some thoughts on this as a career writer who’s friends with plenty of other career writers—but most of those friends write the kind of content discussed here, whereas I'm a technical writer who works on software documentation (hence why I'm on HN :P). Technical writers do pretty well; we don’t make as much as engineers, but the pay is nothing to sneeze at. My friends who write blog posts, industry reports, and…
I see this phenomenon all over the place: the gaming industry, airline and freight pilots, silicon engineers, telecom, etc.
The dynamics of each industry are subtly different but the end result is the same: employers are able to exploit workers and push down wages because their employees are motivated and there's no where else to go.
Want to make games or fly airplanes for a living? All of the companies compete in the same cut throat industries.
Want to design cutting edge silicon fabs or RF radios? There's only two choices: TSMC and Intel or Qualcomm and Broadcom, respectively. Good luck.
The AMA had it right: you gotta cut off the supply of job learning opportunities and squeeze the market for all its worth.
Re: Writing: Good career move, terrible career (2018)
#38Re: Writing: Good career move, terrible career (2018)
#39When 'writing' is understood in a more limited context, this article is fine. Clickbait writing is a terrible career, precisely because of the economics the author describes. Yet this says nothing about, say, doing longform journalism --- well, that's at terrible career as well, most likely, but probably for very different reasons than the ones this article plumbs: not because "writing doesn't scale" (the author bemoans not being able to produce more than five or six articles an hour!) but because _creating truth and beauty has always been a renumeratively thankless task._
While there are eras (the heyday of rock n roll for music; the heyday of Condé-Nast-style longform journalism) and people (Leonard Cohen; Ta-Nehisi Coates) that prove there are exceptions to the rule, it remains a truism that unregulated markets, in general, are bad at nurturing minds. This is why universities and musical conservatories were created in the first place. Get thee to a faculty!
It does not surprise me that the author wound up in fintech -- that sounds like a great fit, actually, for someone who explicitly experiences 'writing' (or what the author experiences as writing) as analogous to iron mining. No shade thrown either: that's a valuable mindset! But it's not the one that produces (sparkle emoji) Writing (sparkle emoji).
Re: Writing: Good career move, terrible career (2018)
#40The problem with this article is that it allows the word 'writing' to cover so much ground it means practically nothing; butter spread over too much toast. It's like talking about the "market for painters" and never clarifying if you mean the Home Depot kind of the Van Gogh kind (or for that matter, the guy operating the enamel sprayer at the Le Cruset factory.) When 'writing' is understood in a more limited context,…