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Re: Vice files for Bankruptcy

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Some years ago they had a large audience, me included, who got great value out of their investigative journalism. At some point they started pivoting into some weird form of advocacy journalism and clickbait garbage, alienating their existing audience, and apparently failing to find a new one. Good riddance.

I think you might be confusing "Vice" and "Vice News" the former did the off-beat stories and the latter was sending correspondents to war zones, etc.

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You have to choose something that isn't imaginary for it to count, I think.

Here's one of the banned books (NSFW warning): https://alphanews.org/hastings-kids-have-access-to-gender-qu...

That news source is one with questionable facts that caters to a far-right audience. This might as well be imaginary.

Do you have something that actually happened, that can be verified through more than one source, and doesn't involve giving such a website traffic?

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Do you have any examples of this book actually being read to children? Otherwise it's still speculation that kids are being taught "how to give blowjobs". I have no doubt that sexually explicit books on lgbt issues exist, but the claim is that they are being targeted at children.

Do you honestly think a book with a blowjob in it would have been banned if it weren't ? Regardless, exactly which "books" presenters with names such as "Eric Big Clit", "Flowjob" and "rainbow dildo butt monkey" choose to present to children - as young as four - strikes me as somewhat beside the point: https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/05/10/parents-are-right-t...

This website, along with your last one, caters to a fairly right perspective and isn't going to be trustworthy either.

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BBC, NPR and Washington Post are all left leaning organizations funded by governments and billionaires. I don't know if I would call this "getting a reasonable overview of world and local news".

BBC, NPR, and Washington Post are all neutral organizations. WaPo is the home of neocons Hugh Hewitt and Jennifer Rubin. When I first started reading WaPo, they were considered (and they considered themselves to be) far right neocons. These days, Ms. Rubin would be classified as a moderate (and considers herself to be an independent) and Mr. Hewitt is frequently accused of being a RINO. They haven't changed their pol…

It amuses me when people call the news organization that censored booing of Boris Johnson neutral.

The WaPo isnt even neutral by American standards - it has an unusually tight knit relationship with the pentagon.

Essentially those 3 organizations provide 3 different angles on what the pentagon wants you to hear.

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#155
post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have any examples of this book actually being read to children? Otherwise it's still speculation that kids are being taught "how to give blowjobs". I have no doubt that sexually explicit books on lgbt issues exist, but the claim is that they are being targeted at children.

Do you honestly think a book with a blowjob in it would have been banned if it weren't ? Regardless, exactly which "books" presenters with names such as "Eric Big Clit", "Flowjob" and "rainbow dildo butt monkey" choose to present to children - as young as four - strikes me as somewhat beside the point: https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/05/10/parents-are-right-t...

Um. Yes? Considering books like this https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/27/us/tennessee-school-board-rem... have also been banned, I'm not super confident in the some people's ability to distinguish between genuine overstepping of boundaries and stuff they just don't agree with.

Thanks for those links BTW. Those events over in Europe do appear to be of real concern. But, given the nature of the source, it's hard to tell how representative they are.

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#156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

BBC, NPR and Washington Post are all left leaning organizations funded by governments and billionaires. I don't know if I would call this "getting a reasonable overview of world and local news".

BBC, NPR, and Washington Post are all neutral organizations. WaPo is the home of neocons Hugh Hewitt and Jennifer Rubin. When I first started reading WaPo, they were considered (and they considered themselves to be) far right neocons. These days, Ms. Rubin would be classified as a moderate (and considers herself to be an independent) and Mr. Hewitt is frequently accused of being a RINO. They haven't changed their pol…

Media Bias Chart to the rescue: https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-chart

Re: Vice files for Bankruptcy

#157
post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you honestly think a book with a blowjob in it would have been banned if it weren't ? Regardless, exactly which "books" presenters with names such as "Eric Big Clit", "Flowjob" and "rainbow dildo butt monkey" choose to present to children - as young as four - strikes me as somewhat beside the point: https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/05/10/parents-are-right-t...

Um. Yes? Considering books like this https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/27/us/tennessee-school-board-rem... have also been banned, I'm not super confident in the some people's ability to distinguish between genuine overstepping of boundaries and stuff they just don't agree with. Thanks for those links BTW. Those events over in Europe do appear to be of real concern. But, given the nature of the source, it's hard to tell how…

The county boards statement on that removal seemed pretty reasonable to me:

The McMinn County Board of Education voted to remove the graphic novel Maus from McMinn County Schools because of its unnecessary use of profanity and nudity and its depiction of violence and suicide. Taken as a whole, the Board felt this work was simply too adult-oriented for use in our schools.

We do not diminish the value of Maus as an impactful and meaningful piece of literature, nor do we dispute the importance of teaching our children the historical and moral lessons and realities of the Holocaust. To the contrary, we have asked our administrators to find other works that accomplish the same educational goals in a more age-appropriate fashion. The atrocities of the Holocaust were shameful beyond description, and we all have an obligation to ensure that younger generations learn of its horrors to ensure that such an event is never repeated.

Though I would very much agree that censorship of any kind is a delicate matter and can easily become heavy-handed in exactly the way you describe.

I actually don't know anything about that source. It came up in a search and appeared to summarise and provide source-links to cases I'd previously seen. It wasn't as sensationalist as others so seemed worth including.

Glad you appreciated it. I wasn't able to find something that specifically summarised what I've seen from the US, but it is out there and was as concerning. Maybe it's a bit "boy who cried wolf" with the right in the US on this.

That is, while there's often puritanical hyperbole that's easier for left to switch off to, the right appear to have a valid point most people either side would agree to here, but it's maybe not represented well in mainstream left media.

Re: Vice files for Bankruptcy

#158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you honestly think a book with a blowjob in it would have been banned if it weren't ? Regardless, exactly which "books" presenters with names such as "Eric Big Clit", "Flowjob" and "rainbow dildo butt monkey" choose to present to children - as young as four - strikes me as somewhat beside the point: https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/05/10/parents-are-right-t...

This website, along with your last one, caters to a fairly right perspective and isn't going to be trustworthy either.

See reply to sibling.

Re: Vice files for Bankruptcy

#159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's one of the banned books (NSFW warning): https://alphanews.org/hastings-kids-have-access-to-gender-qu...

That news source is one with questionable facts that caters to a far-right audience. This might as well be imaginary. Do you have something that actually happened, that can be verified through more than one source, and doesn't involve giving such a website traffic?

There's literally videos of these events, look them up.

I don't know anything about that site other than it was pretty well-written and had sources and names and times and places. You're welcome.

Re: Vice files for Bankruptcy

#160

Some years ago they had a large audience, me included, who got great value out of their investigative journalism. At some point they started pivoting into some weird form of advocacy journalism and clickbait garbage, alienating their existing audience, and apparently failing to find a new one. Good riddance.

I think you might be confusing "Vice" and "Vice News" the former did the off-beat stories and the latter was sending correspondents to war zones, etc.

Both are the same organization. There isn't any real segmentation between Vice and Vice News like in Buzzfeed (have friends who have freelanced for Vice).

That said, a LOT of Vice news itself is freelanced by reporters in the middle of their own projects such as documentaries, publishing projects, etc.

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