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Do you evaluate everything based on how you can label the people who made it or just this?
I agree that the expression is tired but it is not wrong. The context has changed.
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#152So many people are okay with unconstitutional things as long as it supports their side and beliefs. It is genuinely unsettling. Personally, I don’t care about the underlying thing the protests are about, the important aspect is that if you allow unconstitutional government action like this, eventually it will be used against you. A decade from now we have no idea what the political climate will be. If the precedent i…
Yes and I think alot of people are reading this and thinking "This is very true of the other side but my side is not doing these things".
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Yes, absolutely. And what's changed is that we now have a massive number of people (on both sides) who no longer agree that these things are important, or at least who think that other things are more important - so much more important that "these things" (constitutional protections) can be circumvented when they get in the way of the "more important things". Constitutional protections are largely running on institut…
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I've pondered this before. If a thief tells you that a all men deserve a right to own their own possessions and be secure in their ownership. Would you say he was wrong? Sure, he's a hypocrite but is it not true what the thief said?
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#154So many people are okay with unconstitutional things as long as it supports their side and beliefs. It is genuinely unsettling. Personally, I don’t care about the underlying thing the protests are about, the important aspect is that if you allow unconstitutional government action like this, eventually it will be used against you. A decade from now we have no idea what the political climate will be. If the precedent i…
Its always staggering to think people forget we only have a two party system. You'd think that would keep both parties in check from abusing their powers considering at some point the party you went after and did suspect things in order to win a few elections? Well, they're going to be back in power and what do you think they're going to do? The same thing you did. I feel like we're currently in this death spiral whe…
>I feel like we're currently in this death spiral where its just a never ending war to get the other parties people out of power by any means necessary. While the entire time, its the people who have to suffer through it and pick sides.
I feel ostracized by both sides. It's maddening. Earlier today someone asked if PBS was left leaning. How low have we come that we watch something like PBS looking for "Left" or "Right" leaning views to confirm our bias and not just watching it to be informed.
PBS news hour is pretty moderate IMHO. But still won't stop people from seeing a story that makes them feel bad and labeling it left or right.
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#155Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do you evaluate everything based on how you can label the people who made it or just this?
I agree that the expression is tired but it is not wrong. The context has changed.
The argument goes:
Premise 1) Person came up with Idea.
Premise 2) I do not like Person.
Conclusion) I do not like Idea.
It's not actually a good argument against Idea, it's just a preference.
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#156I don't find scraping publicly accessible data nearly as bad as when they circle planes over protests and track people. Not just the marshals service, but FBI[1] and even the US Air Force[2], etc. A prime example of this was during the riots in Kenosha, WI in 2020, and the subsequent trial of Kyle Rittenhouse. A good deal of the footage they used in the trial was from the FBI surveillance plane[3], and they supplied…
Monitoring an active riot seems pretty much what I’d expect the FBI to do.
It doesn’t seem that there was any intimidation of peaceful protesters, which obviously would be concerning.
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#157Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Personally, I don’t care about the underlying thing the protests are about, the important aspect is that if you allow unconstitutional government action like this, eventually it will be used against you. Words won't protect you. Precedent won't protect you. Guns won't protect you. If you are in a society where others want you surveiled or dead or removed or heavily restricted, and you're outnumbered, it's already t…
Yes, absolutely. And what's changed is that we now have a massive number of people (on both sides) who no longer agree that these things are important, or at least who think that other things are more important - so much more important that "these things" (constitutional protections) can be circumvented when they get in the way of the "more important things". Constitutional protections are largely running on institut…
It's not that the sides no longer agree that these things are important. They do. The problem is they don't believe they agree that they're important. They believe the other side has abandoned the constitution, and they know that puts their own side at a disadvantage if they stay with it.
The two sides are so frightened of each other at this point that all assumptions of good faith are off the table. So, note for next version of the constitution: Make sure the first amendment establishes strict separation of speech and money.
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I agree that the expression is tired but it is not wrong. The context has changed.
The argument goes: Premise 1) Person came up with Idea. Premise 2) I do not like Person. Conclusion) I do not like Idea. It's not actually a good argument against Idea, it's just a preference.
You are absolutely right, even though you were downvoted at least three times in under a minute for some reason.
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In my experience on social media, this sort of thinking is typically classified as "both sidesing" (or an assertion of "false equivalence", etc etc etc), and is considered to be highly inappropriate. And the people that say these things are often otherwise clearly intelligent, it is less common on HN perhaps, but certainly not uncommon.
Yeah, well, knee jerk both sides are the same which completely ignores major differences between those sides is really wrong. It is mental shortcut that leafs to wrong conclusions and often ends up being a lie.
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> Personally, I don’t care about the underlying thing the protests are about, the important aspect is that if you allow unconstitutional government action like this, eventually it will be used against you. Words won't protect you. Precedent won't protect you. Guns won't protect you. If you are in a society where others want you surveiled or dead or removed or heavily restricted, and you're outnumbered, it's already t…
just scare people enough and they will turn in their family members. Especially if you dress it up in being the right moral thing to do. we were so close during the lockdowns, one step away
Are you suggesting turning in family is never the right thing to do? What act would you draw the line at?