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BBEdit is 30 years old as a commercial product

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Re: BBEdit is 30 years old as a commercial product

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Post by chipotle_coyote »

anecdotal1 wrote: post #122
chipotle_coyote wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why BBEdit is still my absolute go-to as a technical writer. I’ve found other editors that are prettier, but it’s just so darn good at text manipulation it’s hard to believe. While I drifted away from BBEdit for coding a while ago, BBEdit 14’s LSP support has pulled me back to some degree. I put together a decent Elixir package for it and, to my own mild surprise, like it more than Panic Nova or Doom Emacs. (…

Is this Elixir BBEdit stuff available somewhere?

Yes, it’s on my GitHub.

https://github.com/chipotle/Elixir.bbpackage

(This reminds me I have an update to push out, though…)

Re: BBEdit is 30 years old as a commercial product

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Post by tesseract »

IAmLiterallyAB wrote: post #112
KerrAvon wrote: post #75

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You don't get the SPOD at startup while it tries to replay every FSEvent that's ever happened? Seriously, if that could get fixed, I'd still use TM, it's my favorite editor. But I can't even look at the sources because they're GPL3.

Why does GPLv3 stop you from looking at the source?

Employer policy most likely

Re: BBEdit is 30 years old as a commercial product

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Post by cstross »

newaccount74 wrote: post #39
cstross wrote: post #17

Order won't complete (after Paypal payment confirmed) -- "you must accept terms and conditions" message shows up, but no checkbox or other way to accept T&Cs. (Is the BB order website incompatible with Firefox on macOS, or failing due to load?)

Ad blocker?

Nope, adblocker and noscript were disabled.

Update: turns out it's a known bug on their back end service (they're working on a fix). Everything now sorted out manually.

Re: BBEdit is 30 years old as a commercial product

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Post by ssbash »

eschaton wrote: post #118
ssbash wrote: post #20

As a long time macOS user, I’ve seen a lot of praise for BBEdit. However I find it unusable without a way to enable Vim keybindings. It’s great that BBEdit is still going strong 30 years later. But could the team throw us Vim users a bone? Even Panic’s Nova has Vim bindings built in.

Are you trying to use it on an ADM-3A or something? It’s a Macintosh application, it uses the Macintosh key bindings. If you’d rather use vi just use it.

Why does every text editor and IDE provide the option for vi keybinds is if it’s such a sin on macOS.

Just because BBEdit existed during the Classic Macintosh days doesn’t mean we should be forced to use those keybindings forever.

I don’t see why providing the option for vi bindings is such a monumental ask? I’m not asking the default to be changed.

Re: BBEdit is 30 years old as a commercial product

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Post by eschaton »

ssbash wrote: post #135
eschaton wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you trying to use it on an ADM-3A or something? It’s a Macintosh application, it uses the Macintosh key bindings. If you’d rather use vi just use it.

Why does every text editor and IDE provide the option for vi keybinds is if it’s such a sin on macOS. Just because BBEdit existed during the Classic Macintosh days doesn’t mean we should be forced to use those keybindings forever. I don’t see why providing the option for vi bindings is such a monumental ask? I’m not asking the default to be changed.

Because there’s a bunch of Hackernews trying to mimic the superficial trappings of their tech heroes by using extremely obfuscated interfaces and they get extremely loud when they’re not catered to.

The risk in adding something like “`vi` keybindings” is that it’s never going to be enough for the people demanding it. They tend to always want more and deeper integration because oh, gee, this one particular bit of line noise is critical to my workflow! And this repeats until they’ve turned their target into `vi`.

If you want `vi` just use and extend `vi` and let the rest of us be. Personally, I only find it ergonomic when used with an HP 9000-300 HIL keyboard, which puts the escape key in an odd place, and with an ADM-3A because all of the design decisions the cargo-cult thinks are so ingenious are really just accommodations for that particular terminal’s inadequate keyboard. Hence why I use a Macintosh, and a Macintosh editor.

Re: BBEdit is 30 years old as a commercial product

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Post by paulrpotts »

ofalkaed wrote: post #111
paulrpotts wrote: post #106

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Truly it was a different world. I learned so much investigating and modifying resource forks!

While I remember those times fondly and with great nostalgia, I think the Apple ecosystem of the system 7 days hindered my learning, it was just too easy. I could open up AppleScript and hit record, perform some actions and then naively change some things to variables and I would have my script. I could open up HyperCard and make a game just by guess and check. I could open up an app in RedEdit and start changing app…

Hmmm... well, I got into it a bit earlier and so when I got to the Mac, I already had some programming experience in BASIC, Pascal, and assembly. So I used HyperCard, but I also learned how to write XFCN and XCMD code resources to add functionality to HyperCard. I used PostScript in the first LaserWriter, but also figured out how to connect it to a terminal and give it PostScript commands directly. I was motivated to teach myself as much as I could... probably in no small part because I was bored with my regular class material.
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