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Stories We’ve Seen Too Often

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Re: Stories We’ve Seen Too Often

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I've got to admit, there's a lot of inspiration in that list. Though maybe use a couple and not make one of these the sole interesting thing about the story. Also, execution always matters.

And some of these should definitely be avoided at all costs.

Re: Stories We’ve Seen Too Often

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Pretty much all of my favorite pulp sci-fi stories use at least two of the items on the list. Of course, that's reasonably forgivable because:

1. They used more than one

2. They were published long before this list was made.

3. Pulp

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e.g. 5,271,009 by Alfred Bester hits at least 4 of these while also poking fun at various wish-fulfillment stories

Re: Stories We’ve Seen Too Often

#43
I wish I could ask Netfix/recommendation engines to strike stories matching a certain story profile. In particular I rarely enjoy a story about point 4. I like watching something without spoilers so avoiding 'Weird things happen, but it turns out they're not real' is really difficult.

Re: Stories We’ve Seen Too Often

#44

If you liked this list, you may also find the Turkey City Lexicon interesting: https://www.sfwa.org/2009/06/18/turkey-city-lexicon-a-primer... It's also aimed directly at aspiring science fiction writers, but it's been referenced enough times on Charles Stross's blog (and other SF venues) that some of its terms have entered my vocabulary and that of other SF readers I know. EDIT: this list does contain the story type…

Neal Stevenson got away with this by getting rid of Adam and adding six additional Eve's.

He also got away with it by not making it a sudden twist at the end; it was never a surprise - it's the title of the book.

Re: Stories We’ve Seen Too Often

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post #43

I wish I could ask Netfix/recommendation engines to strike stories matching a certain story profile. In particular I rarely enjoy a story about point 4. I like watching something without spoilers so avoiding 'Weird things happen, but it turns out they're not real' is really difficult.

I wish that recommendation engines had a "rational fiction score" for their content. Things like Expanse, Sanderson's Mistborn series (were it to be filmed as a show, ah, one can dream) or 2001 Odyssey would rate highly, things like "From..." not so much.

Re: Stories We’ve Seen Too Often

#46

If you're reading this and thinking "aw damn, my idea is cliche, I'll never get something published!" or similar, don't worry too much. Once you subtract the ones that are either just straight-up wish fulfillment, or otherwise reliant on racist/sexist/ageist stereotypes, a lot of the ideas listed here are still perfectly good ideas for a story. They'd be more than "original" enough to drive an episode of Black Mirror…

Hasn't it been said there's only 7 basic stories in the world? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seven_Basic_Plots or something.

But who cares that The Lion King and Hamlet may be the same story at the base, they're certainly different enough to be enjoyable each in their own right, and I wouldn't substitute one for the other in some strange form of economization.

Re: Stories We’ve Seen Too Often

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post #38

If you're reading this and thinking "aw damn, my idea is cliche, I'll never get something published!" or similar, don't worry too much. Once you subtract the ones that are either just straight-up wish fulfillment, or otherwise reliant on racist/sexist/ageist stereotypes, a lot of the ideas listed here are still perfectly good ideas for a story. They'd be more than "original" enough to drive an episode of Black Mirror…

The list seems to cover 90% of all sci-fi, and, if you squint a little, 80% of all stories ever written.

Pure originality is exceptionally rare, but that's not really a bad thing. More and more I believe that the human experience is primarily defined by rhymes and analogy, trying to avoid reusing prior work is futile.

"What has been is what will be, and what has been done is what will be done; and there is nothing new under the sun" (Ecclesiastes 1:9, RSV2CE).

Re: Stories We’ve Seen Too Often

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post #30

Something that stuck out to me was a side-note: > Note that we do like endings that we didn't expect, as long as they derive naturally from character action. This, to me, is probably the biggest thing that makes me hate a story: The character is faced with a situation and reacts in a way contrary to the way we'd expect them to act based on what we've seen so far. It soon becomes obvious they made that decision only t…

This is a big problem for serialized stories now that fan theorizing on the internet is so common. A good plot shouldn't be completely predictable to your audience, but events need to flow from one to the other because characters and their worlds should have consistency. This creates predictability and means some small percentage of your audience can now guess what is going to happen.

That was fine a decade or two ago when a person might guess the ending to a TV show and blurt it out to their partner on the couch. However, now that small group that guesses the plot correctly will share their predictions on the relevant subreddit which will be picked up by blogs and suddenly everyone knows where you were going.

When that happens, the creatives are faced with the choice to change that ending or just deal with the twists and turns getting spoiled. Westworld is a memorable example of the creators changing the show because fans guessed what was happening next. The end result was that the show didn't make any sense because it prioritized unpredictability over all else and eventually the world and characters didn't make any sense anymore.

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