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TikTok Owner Had 'Backdoor' for CCP Access to US Data, Lawsuit Alleges

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Re: TikTok Owner Had 'Backdoor' for CCP Access to US Data, Lawsuit Alleges

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Post by firen777 »

RedCondor wrote: post #389
gretch wrote: post #362

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Let's say you're an american... and that you're plotting some anti-government movement at home. Which is more problematic Okay and for the hundreds of millions of us who are not, do we prefer our govt knowing about us or the CCP. I’m not a fan of the USG by any means - I have many many criticisms of the govt and I’ve participated in protests. To put contemporary USG and CCP in the same league is crazy talk.

Yeah the CPC eliminates poverty whereas the USG wages war. There's no comparison.

Pretty easy to do that if you redefine poverty.

"600 million people have less than 1,000 RMB monthly income" - Li Keqiang, ex-premier of the State Council of China.

Re: TikTok Owner Had 'Backdoor' for CCP Access to US Data, Lawsuit Alleges

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Post by ajsnigrutin »

firen777 wrote: post #401
RedCondor wrote: post #389

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah the CPC eliminates poverty whereas the USG wages war. There's no comparison.

Pretty easy to do that if you redefine poverty. "600 million people have less than 1,000 RMB monthly income" - Li Keqiang, ex-premier of the State Council of China.

How is that compared to 20 years ago? Did it get better or worse?

I in no way support the chinese political system, but the one we have in the west (EU for me), made average rent higher than an average pension while buying is impossible for a huge percent of people due to overinflated prices. I used to live in a communist country (still live here, just the country doesn't exist anymore), and out of all the bad things they did, atleast they knew how to build affordable housing.

Re: TikTok Owner Had 'Backdoor' for CCP Access to US Data, Lawsuit Alleges

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Post by thewileyone »

godelski wrote: post #124
grugagag wrote: post #19

Im more curious what tiktok data amouts to and how it could be used by CCP. I’ve heard of bans of Tiktok use by politicians and army bases and such. Without sensitive location data to some specific users but solely the young sharing memes, I wounder how CCP could use that data… Not a Tiktok user myself, if anyone could illuminate me on this it’s be great. For example does tiktok have direct messages from users to use…

> Im more curious what tiktok data amouts to and how it could be used by CCP Let's pretend I hire two people: The first is a private detective, the other is an entertainer. The private detective is able to follow you around and watch everything you do. They know when you eat, when you sleep, and even when you poop. They know who you talk to and for how long. They know everything that interests you and bores you, down…

But to do most of what you discussed, you don't need any "private" data. Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Youtube, Reddit does and uses your browsing and posting data in the exact same way.

Re: TikTok Owner Had 'Backdoor' for CCP Access to US Data, Lawsuit Alleges

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Post by reducesuffering »

mardifoufs wrote: post #390
throwaway2990 wrote: post #363

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? If you say “fuck Biden” nothing is gonna happen to you. If you say “fuck Xi” then you better hope you never travel to China. There’s a massive difference between east and west and what you say on the internet.

I'm pretty sure I can say fuck China and still travel there if I live in the middle east unless I'm a particularly vocal critic I guess. Saying down with the US can get you on a no fly list too by the way, if you live in the middle east. And whatever I say about China won't get me droned which is absolutely not the case for the US.

Gonna need a source on US intentionally droning someone for their words.

Re: TikTok Owner Had 'Backdoor' for CCP Access to US Data, Lawsuit Alleges

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Post by archagon »

lopkeny12ko wrote: post #133

Half of the comments in this thread sound like they were written by CCP propaganda chatbots. A dead giveaway is the failure to address the topic at hand and immediately deflect to "but the USA does XYZ too!" No one is disputing such a claim, but that's also not what we're talking about here.

Is there any value to this comment?

Re: TikTok Owner Had 'Backdoor' for CCP Access to US Data, Lawsuit Alleges

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Post by ChrisRR »

1101010010 wrote: post #52

Social media access to user data (whether foreign or domestic) is bad, but it is a distraction from the real evil: behavioral management at scale. When you can target specific demographics and control what they see 8-10 hours of the day, you can change what they think, say, do, and most importantly, how they vote. People are literally being programmed (euphemistically, "conditioned") by the specific triggers and stim…

Just look at how people were programmed into believing that masks were bad. At best they could save lives, at worst they were an inconvenience. But some people acted like you had just punched them in the face if you asked them to wear one

And why? Because certain politicians and media outlets decided to randomly make it a political issue, and then suddenly you have people angrily spouting all kinds of crap rather than be slightly inconvenienced and have to smell their own breath

Re: TikTok Owner Had 'Backdoor' for CCP Access to US Data, Lawsuit Alleges

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Post by nabakin »

hmm37 wrote: post #379
nabakin wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why can't you believe both are issues and be in support of the resolution of both?

The way you would solve both issues is simply have data protection laws that affect all social media companies, rather than singling/discriminating against one company because it's "foreign", and moreover "Chinese".

For sure, we should just have a general data protection law which covers both issues

Re: TikTok Owner Had 'Backdoor' for CCP Access to US Data, Lawsuit Alleges

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Post by mardifoufs »

reducesuffering wrote: post #404
mardifoufs wrote: post #390

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm pretty sure I can say fuck China and still travel there if I live in the middle east unless I'm a particularly vocal critic I guess. Saying down with the US can get you on a no fly list too by the way, if you live in the middle east. And whatever I say about China won't get me droned which is absolutely not the case for the US.

Gonna need a source on US intentionally droning someone for their words.

If I say that I was affiliated with Al Qaïda? In any case it is much more likely to get droned by the US than by China, no matter how unlikely it is in the absolute.

Re: TikTok Owner Had 'Backdoor' for CCP Access to US Data, Lawsuit Alleges

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Post by bioemerl »

rat9988 wrote: post #169
bioemerl wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They might be trying, but the end result will be a petty destruction of progress. "In order to make any change you must fix my much larger and harder to solve issue" will ensure that nothing ever gets done. In the face of just how serious this risk is, this sort of stance is self destructive and nearly malicious.

Given the serious risk, we should fix the bigger loophole where foreign or national bodies can use our data. "In the face of just how serious this risk is, this sort of stance is self destructive and nearly malicious." Unfortunately, such narrow views will not help us go anywhere. This is the best way to kill any thought process.

I agree, we should fix both.

Your objections here won't fix both though. Instead, neither will be fixed.

Re: TikTok Owner Had 'Backdoor' for CCP Access to US Data, Lawsuit Alleges

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Post by reducesuffering »

mardifoufs wrote: post #408
reducesuffering wrote: post #404

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gonna need a source on US intentionally droning someone for their words.

If I say that I was affiliated with Al Qaïda? In any case it is much more likely to get droned by the US than by China, no matter how unlikely it is in the absolute.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-and-bailey_fallacy

And 24 million Taiwanese are far less likely to die due to US invasion of them.

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