When I worked as a team lead, my main concern was whether were hitting our goals as a team, and ensuring every member of the team was aligned and ready to do their job. I had a colleague during lockdown who was just not getting anything done. We'd have calls to ensure he understood his task and knew what to do. But nothing was getting done. It'd take him days to reply to a message. I'll never know for sure, but I suspect he was working another job at the same time. He didn't last long in the company.
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#32The same way it ruined on-site work?
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#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think it is. Employers love to include whatever they can in a contract. Non competes in Canada and the EU are generally not enforceable but you see them regularly. Why should this line be any different. Edit: which -> why
Which should this line be any different? Because it most definitely is not about non-compete agreements in the usual (post-employment) sense. You understand that, right?
I understand the difference. Most jobs would like to own your 24/7 for minimum wage. They can also have clauses about discussing pay or other gray / illegal points. Just because you've signed it doesn't mean much to me.
If you're meeting their expectations it's none of their business in my opinion.
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#34Dishonesty in this case is simple; its fraud, everyone knows how to deal with fraud even big business.
This is just propaganda meant to get people back to the office, poorly veiled propaganda at that.
If the person signed conflicting agreements and violated those agreements; its pretty clear what the lawyers will say to do. It will be one of those moments that seems like out of a sitcom, with a joke waiting but the response is more serious... "this is what we are going to do, you are lucky that is all we are going to do".
If the work gets done and you aren't in violation of agreements there is nothing wrong with working multiple jobs especially when as a CEO of a larger company you've participated in suppressing worker wages.
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#35How is someone working two jobs cheating _either_ company?
More specifically why do we consider some jobs as being "greater than one job is mandatory" (because being able to afford food and rent is important) but for other jobs it is not?
If a company thinks the only thing that is important is that you are "working" 40 hours a week, and that they'll force you in the office to ensure that. They don't care about what you do in that office, and they don't care about getting your job done: the hours you're at your desk is more important than anything else.
All of that indicates incompetent management, and terrible task distribution.
At the same time as an employee of such a company I would take such messaging as being an explicit "working harder or longer than your coworkers it will not be rewarded", because again the message is "time at desk is the important thing not what you do or accomplish".
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#36When I worked as a team lead, my main concern was whether were hitting our goals as a team, and ensuring every member of the team was aligned and ready to do their job. I had a colleague during lockdown who was just not getting anything done. We'd have calls to ensure he understood his task and knew what to do. But nothing was getting done. It'd take him days to reply to a message. I'll never know for sure, but I sus…
Or he was watching TV or playing video games. I don’t mean to make it sound like that’s common for people who work from home but it does seem more likely to me than working 2 jobs at once.
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#37Remote work isn't going to go away because of this. If the business wants people to return to office, then they'll force it with any excuse. We already heard some of them claim people are 'more efficient' in the office as a top reason for RTO.
If we worry about everything then I guess people in the offices should stop working efficiently cause that will ruin remote work too? Nah, cause Business gonna business, they don't care about what's "right".
Just stop worrying and enjoy what's currently available to you :D
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#38I think that it's ok, if they can do that much work. I mean everyone can take two or three jobs even without remote jobs. Though with remote working it is easier to do two or three jobs if they are similar and you can send same work to both companies. It's not a problem before it's about copyright.
And if your employment contract -- like nearly every employment contract -- explicitly says "you will devote 40 hours a week to this role; and you will not take on outside obligations without giving written notice to the company" -- Is still "ok"?
not sure where you get 'nearly every employment contract' from, but in the US, its pretty common for people in the retail sectors to have multiple jobs. My F500 employer actually actually acknowledges this is a possibility for techies, and gives us guidelines on how to avoid problems with NDAs, client poaching, etc. They don't seem to require any notifications unless it might compete with existing business.
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#39Can someone write an article with the headline, "Reduced real estate costs will support remote work for most of us"
IMO, companies are stuck with real estate leases or purchased buildings. New companies will shun real estate and as leases expire so will existing companies. Companies with purchased buildings will force their employees to the office until they are convinced they are not competitive in the job market, then they will dump that office space.
Example, Salesforce exited a building literally named after itself...
https://therealdeal.com/sanfrancisco/2023/04/13/salesforce-t...
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#40This entire argument is simple. If you’re a manager and you hire someone, you trust them to do the job you want doing. If you don’t trust them to do the job, don’t hire them. If you don’t trust anyone, then you have trust issues and probably shouldn’t be a manager and should instead go and work on yourself. If someone betrays your trust or doesn’t perform the job adequately: fire them. If someone performs the job ade…
It's not that simple unfortunately. Some jobs have onboarding, which can last for weeks or even months. While in theory you can figure out if you're being screwed by an employee during onboarding, it would make the entire process a living hell for the employee. So most of the times you go with "they're new, they're learning, let's keep them for X months". If the person decides to slack it off after onboarding than yo…
In EU we have 6 months probation mostly everywhere and you can be fired easily within that time.
Also you can’t be legally employed twice, so the employee should be doing a freelance job on the side, which is also an inconvenience for most considering it would force you to make an additional tax report with some added taxation that isn’t worth it unless you earn a lot.
This double remote job thing seems like it’s really just a US “problem”.
Which is weird, considering how this hustling to get more for yourself should actually be incentivized in a society that promotes self reliance and getting rich as a core value.