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Brian Chesky: Ability to hire from anywhere is more valuable than in-office work

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Re: Brian Chesky: Ability to hire from anywhere is more valuable than in-office work

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I figure there must just be a personality difference that explains this stuff. I can't fathom it. I do better in the office not at home, I do better in the gym not in my home gym, I do better cycling if I'm with others, I push harder doing basically anything if I'm competing, if I'm in a team, if someone is watching. Particularly if they're attractive, respectable, etc. There's an effect from the setting. My home gym…

Yeah, I feel the polar opposite for each of those. I'm guessing you're an early riser, too?

Re: Brian Chesky: Ability to hire from anywhere is more valuable than in-office work

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Yes, definitely, for professionals anyone needing to ask the question might consider some introspection.

It seems from your answer that you have a self-image as a "professional" and that motivates you to work hard even though it may have minimal impact on your compensation. Have you considered the economic rationality of that stance?

'Nothing good' happens by 'self-oriented individuals doing the least', in fact I would go further and say 'almost nothing' happens at all.

If you've ever been on a 'decent team' you'll see that there are many 'in between' elements of an operating situation that have to be accommodated, and it takes a bit of extra focus and goodwill by everyone if it's going to work out.

This applies not only to tight-knit groups, but large teams, and also to contractors, and can be extended to the system overall, aka companies working with each other, individuals, public servants etc.

We generally have to keep our chins up, and 'try to do our jobs as we can' not the 'minimum we can get away with', knowing full well that it's not going to work out all the time, that some situations are better than others, and that there will be a lot of variables for which your 'expected bonus of 4%' or whatever is only one small part.

This doesn't mean we 'die on a hill for someone else's cause' or work ourselves in a grind for no reason, nor does it mean accepting negative behaviour on the part of employers, and definitely 'some days are better than others' - but 'life is long' and 'consistency over time' does matter.

It doesn't even mean fake emotional posture (you know those people who are always in a good mood!), but rather just 'doing it'.

In most corporate situations, the bar for 'minimum' is actually fairly low and so pragmatically, if we want to be 'trusted' as individuals, there has to be a general expectation that we will do 'it' not the 'minimum' or it just won't work.

Obviously, things will be uneven in so many ways - some people's 'minimum' will be better than other's 'best effort', but that's life - that's all part of it.

It's an issue of productivity, but arguably, morality as well.

It's actually a bit troubling that people would even need to ask the question, I hope this level of selfish orientation is a niche mentality and not some kind of new, secular social trend.

It's also hard to even grasp that people could be so cynical - I feel sorry for people in that posture, because either they've literally never 'been on a team' and have no internalization of those dynamics, or a are just depressed or have a negative life outlook. I'm not very athletic myself, but over the years I've gravitated towards people who do play sports, especially team sports, as having more of an innate sense for those things. Even 'toxic' people are more often than not just misfits, at least they are interesting.

It's a sad kind of organizational problem as well - the people who are overtly bad or toxic are easy to let go of, but the pernicious malignancy of 'do the least' is worse.

'Doing the thing' it usually doesn't cost any more material time, just focus. If you're going to do it, then do it.

Re: Brian Chesky: Ability to hire from anywhere is more valuable than in-office work

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Does anyone give more than the minimum effort when they find themselves with a 2% to 4% raise, if any, in their yearly reviews, even if they are in the office?

Yes, the are many Clueless [1] in the world [1]: https://www.ribbonfarm.com/2009/10/07/the-gervais-principle-...

Anyone who actually believes this should for the good of everyone else, leave their careers now. I mean, it's fun to read about completely arbitrarily made up characters at 'Dunder Mifflin' used as the basis some kind of deep metaphor, but then to find that people actually believe this stuff? 'Believing' this piece says more about the reader, because the piece itself doesn't say anything, it's a kind of Rorschach test.

Re: Brian Chesky: Ability to hire from anywhere is more valuable than in-office work

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Does anyone give more than the minimum effort when they find themselves with a 2% to 4% raise, if any, in their yearly reviews, even if they are in the office?

Yes, the are many Clueless [1] in the world [1]: https://www.ribbonfarm.com/2009/10/07/the-gervais-principle-...

Great article.

Discussed 6 months ago, 150 points:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33298158

Re: Brian Chesky: Ability to hire from anywhere is more valuable than in-office work

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But you can work in remote companies in different EU countries..

No, not really. Austrian labor laws says if you work with an employment contract, then your employer must have a legal presence in Austria to pay Austrian employer taxes and conform to Austrian labor laws, and no company wants to do that. There are some middle-men companies to interface this but they take a deep cut and not everyone want to deal with that hassle. So your other option is a B-2-B contract but then you…

This pretty much sums up the situation in Italy also.

Re: Brian Chesky: Ability to hire from anywhere is more valuable than in-office work

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But majority of companies use deel, remote.com and so many mediators to hire remotely. B2b in other eu countries has way less taxes than being employee. Point is that there are many options and companies out there.

>But majority of companies use deel, remote.com and so many mediators to hire remotely. They do take a seizable cut though. After taxes on top you're not left with much than just working for a local company that doesn't have 200 applicants for one position and a crazy interview process. >B2b in other eu countries has way less taxes than being employee. Yeah, emphasis on "other countries", but I don't live in one of t…

Do you have a ballpark of how large is the cut off intermediaries such as those you cited?

Asking as an Italian hoping to find a foreign fullremote employer.

Re: Brian Chesky: Ability to hire from anywhere is more valuable than in-office work

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At least they put their money where their mouth is. I for one have seen a lot of the productivity hits dissipate with the advent of remote work. It's at the expense of basic human psychology though. You really can't hire jerks, management cannot be "game players", and meetings need to be minimal and ad hoc. Remote work companies avoiding those 3 things eat in person companies lunch every day of the week as far as hou…

Name such a company.

Not a company, but as a product linux has eaten a lot of lunches that used to belong to companies working in person..

Re: Brian Chesky: Ability to hire from anywhere is more valuable than in-office work

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I figure there must just be a personality difference that explains this stuff. I can't fathom it. I do better in the office not at home, I do better in the gym not in my home gym, I do better cycling if I'm with others, I push harder doing basically anything if I'm competing, if I'm in a team, if someone is watching. Particularly if they're attractive, respectable, etc. There's an effect from the setting. My home gym…

Yeah, I feel the polar opposite for each of those. I'm guessing you're an early riser, too?

Funny, I thought I was the only one anecdotically correlating early birds with opposing full remote employment.

Re: Brian Chesky: Ability to hire from anywhere is more valuable than in-office work

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I figure there must just be a personality difference that explains this stuff. I can't fathom it. I do better in the office not at home, I do better in the gym not in my home gym, I do better cycling if I'm with others, I push harder doing basically anything if I'm competing, if I'm in a team, if someone is watching. Particularly if they're attractive, respectable, etc. There's an effect from the setting. My home gym…

Yeah, I feel the polar opposite for each of those. I'm guessing you're an early riser, too?

Nope, I bloody hate both waking up and going to sleep.

Amusingly as with the rest of it, having a friend or partner to match schedules with helps a lot.

Re: Brian Chesky: Ability to hire from anywhere is more valuable than in-office work

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These remote-vs-office discussions where nobody discusses the actual work involved are fairly pointless. Disregarding the obvious scenarios of presence-required in order to work (i.e. manufacturing), the question applies: what is most productive for "information work"? In my personal experience, I've found collaboration conducted face-to-face far more effective than doing so in a distributed/online way. There is a hi…

Does anyone give more than the minimum effort when they find themselves with a 2% to 4% raise, if any, in their yearly reviews, even if they are in the office?

Different people are different; I enjoy my work, and take pride in it.

If I'm so demotivated I'm only putting the minimum effort, I start looking for the next job

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