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All the arguments against EVs are wrong

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Re: All the arguments against EVs are wrong

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> Nor are those worries solely the province of cranks and ideologues — Simon Michaux of the Finnish Geological Survey has actually done extensive research On the contrary, Michaux tripped a few of my crank alarms, mention of EROEI being one of them.

What's wrong with EROEI (Energy Return on Energy Invested)? It seems sensible to me without knowing too much about it.

Re: All the arguments against EVs are wrong

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I only skimmed it but didn’t see any mention of the argument that our electrical grid is not reliable and resilient enough to support a massive uptick of EVs. At least in CA, where the power company likes to preemptively turn off power so that fires don’t start, that’s a big concern for families with only one car, or considering replacing their second car with an EV.

Wasn't there just a gas shortage in France and half a year ago in UK?

How constant and long lasting are your power outages there?

I mean no electricity for a week and all my food in the freezer is gone, no heating in winter due to pumps needing electricity and no water as well.

Sounds really bad over there then?

Re: All the arguments against EVs are wrong

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I've been going in range-anxiety circles with my dad for over 10 years. He insists he needs a car that can take him hundreds of miles into the wilderness for camping. I ask whether he's ever done that. He says no, but he intends to. He's 84. EV manufacturers should offer the 500-mile-range vehicle, but as an option. Pay $X for a car with 250 miles range, and an extra $20,000 for another 250 miles range. Most people w…

To be honest, I think I would just let this one go. Does your father, at 84, really need a new car anyway?

Re: All the arguments against EVs are wrong

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I've been going in range-anxiety circles with my dad for over 10 years. He insists he needs a car that can take him hundreds of miles into the wilderness for camping. I ask whether he's ever done that. He says no, but he intends to. He's 84. EV manufacturers should offer the 500-mile-range vehicle, but as an option. Pay $X for a car with 250 miles range, and an extra $20,000 for another 250 miles range. Most people w…

I think this is pretty much what they all do already? Seems like most manufacturers offer a "long range" version? Perhaps not 250 Vs 500, but certainly like 150 to 250 sort of order of magnitude

Take a look at http://ev-database.uk

Re: All the arguments against EVs are wrong

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post #9

I've been going in range-anxiety circles with my dad for over 10 years. He insists he needs a car that can take him hundreds of miles into the wilderness for camping. I ask whether he's ever done that. He says no, but he intends to. He's 84. EV manufacturers should offer the 500-mile-range vehicle, but as an option. Pay $X for a car with 250 miles range, and an extra $20,000 for another 250 miles range. Most people w…

I couldn’t convince my parents to get a plug-in hybrid Prius (to replace their old Prius) because it didn’t have a spare tire in the back. They ended up getting a hybrid Camry, which gets much, much worse mileage for their use case. It’s still pretty good in the grand scheme of things, but it was silly that they wouldn’t consider a car without a spare tire considering where they drive and that they have AAA.

Re: All the arguments against EVs are wrong

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I only skimmed it but didn’t see any mention of the argument that our electrical grid is not reliable and resilient enough to support a massive uptick of EVs. At least in CA, where the power company likes to preemptively turn off power so that fires don’t start, that’s a big concern for families with only one car, or considering replacing their second car with an EV.

Wasn't there just a gas shortage in France and half a year ago in UK? How constant and long lasting are your power outages there? I mean no electricity for a week and all my food in the freezer is gone, no heating in winter due to pumps needing electricity and no water as well. Sounds really bad over there then?

Gas as in gas (that you heat your house with), or gas as in petroleum (that you put in your car)?

For both in the UK I don't think there were "shortages" where it wasn't available. Both just shoot up in price (like they always do at the merest hint of supply shortages or whalesale cost increases ..)

Re: All the arguments against EVs are wrong

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I only skimmed it but didn’t see any mention of the argument that our electrical grid is not reliable and resilient enough to support a massive uptick of EVs. At least in CA, where the power company likes to preemptively turn off power so that fires don’t start, that’s a big concern for families with only one car, or considering replacing their second car with an EV.

Wasn't there just a gas shortage in France and half a year ago in UK? How constant and long lasting are your power outages there? I mean no electricity for a week and all my food in the freezer is gone, no heating in winter due to pumps needing electricity and no water as well. Sounds really bad over there then?

Yeah, there are week long outages by accident or design every year. It may not hit you every year, but no one is immune. This year there was a 4+ day outage that hit Atherton, and you can imagine they have more political pull than virtually anywhere.

Food in the fridge goes bad, there is no HVAC (mostly an issue for AC, since it happens when it’s not that cold), but we have water.

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