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Brian Chesky: Ability to hire from anywhere is more valuable than in-office work

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Re: Brian Chesky: Ability to hire from anywhere is more valuable than in-office work

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Post by welshwelsh »

spaceman_2020 wrote: post #59
alanfranz wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Define “suppress the wages”. If I live in a lower COL area, I get a significantly higher wage than expected in my area, my employer saves money, and I get full remote work that I like, I call that a “win-win”.

I think the previous poster meant hiring people from countries with lower cost of living.

Indeed, but people in countries with lower cost of living are still workers, right?

It irritates me when people say things like "suppress worker wages" when they actually mean "pay less money to American workers living in San Francisco"

The people being hired in Bangladesh are not having their wages suppressed. On the contrary, they are making more and enjoying a higher quality of life than ever before.

Re: Brian Chesky: Ability to hire from anywhere is more valuable than in-office work

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Post by charlie0 »

jroseattle wrote: post #88

These remote-vs-office discussions where nobody discusses the actual work involved are fairly pointless. Disregarding the obvious scenarios of presence-required in order to work (i.e. manufacturing), the question applies: what is most productive for "information work"? In my personal experience, I've found collaboration conducted face-to-face far more effective than doing so in a distributed/online way. There is a hi…

Does anyone give more than the minimum effort when they find themselves with a 2% to 4% raise, if any, in their yearly reviews, even if they are in the office?

Re: Brian Chesky: Ability to hire from anywhere is more valuable than in-office work

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Post by charlie0 »

flappyeagle wrote: post #90
sokoloff wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you probably meant to object to off-shoring (same company doing the work with employees in different country) rather than out-sourcing (different company doing the work). Out-sourcing from other countries has been happening at scale for decades. I agree that remote work pulls all of us (rather quickly) towards globalization. Overall, I think this is a good thing, even though people (like me) who temporarily b…

Good catch. I wasn’t aware of the difference in terminology. From a neoliberal globalist perspective, I am happy with more globalization. I just think it’s strange that people tout remote work as shifting power toward employees and away from management, when in reality it’s the opposite.

It may be true, but as of now there's a lot of arbitrage to go around for those who earn a hcol wage and move to mcol or lcol areas.

Re: Brian Chesky: Ability to hire from anywhere is more valuable than in-office work

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Post by throwaway22032 »

I figure there must just be a personality difference that explains this stuff.

I can't fathom it. I do better in the office not at home, I do better in the gym not in my home gym, I do better cycling if I'm with others, I push harder doing basically anything if I'm competing, if I'm in a team, if someone is watching. Particularly if they're attractive, respectable, etc.

There's an effect from the setting. My home gym just isn't the same as a proper place with music blazing and guys/girls supporting each other. And the physical - the travel and the location - reinforce in my mind that this is serious time.

Every now and then I like to do stuff alone sure. But too much of it and it feels like playing with toys on your own. Family don't understand the work you do in the same way.

To me it's about as obvious as the sun rising. But not everyone feels this way, it seems.

Re: Brian Chesky: Ability to hire from anywhere is more valuable than in-office work

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Post by jasmer »

charlie0 wrote: post #112
jroseattle wrote: post #88

These remote-vs-office discussions where nobody discusses the actual work involved are fairly pointless. Disregarding the obvious scenarios of presence-required in order to work (i.e. manufacturing), the question applies: what is most productive for "information work"? In my personal experience, I've found collaboration conducted face-to-face far more effective than doing so in a distributed/online way. There is a hi…

Does anyone give more than the minimum effort when they find themselves with a 2% to 4% raise, if any, in their yearly reviews, even if they are in the office?

Yes, definitely, for professionals anyone needing to ask the question might consider some introspection.

Re: Brian Chesky: Ability to hire from anywhere is more valuable than in-office work

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Post by jasmer »

flappyeagle wrote: post #39

This is just code for outsourcing. Americans who are all-in on remote work should recognize this.

It's the biggest cognitive dissonance of the generation.

I'm empathetic to rising costs etc. but this remote work thing ... means instantly competing with an audience 10x bigger, many of whom are in remote place with a fraction of cost of living and therefore supply cost, really don't understand how this does not sink in for most people.

The next few years are going to be transformative.

Re: Brian Chesky: Ability to hire from anywhere is more valuable than in-office work

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Post by jasmer »

nicbou wrote: post #86
spaceman_2020 wrote: post #58

Unless you have a family back home to spend time with, extended work from home is not goof for your mental health.

I had great coworkers but they were not my friends. Saving 1-2 hour per day of commuting and using my breaks to do chores frees up time to see the people I chose to see.

Colleagues are not 'friends', they are still good for your mental health. Often better than friends since they are forced to behave.

Re: Brian Chesky: Ability to hire from anywhere is more valuable than in-office work

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Post by Nasrudith »

flappyeagle wrote: post #39

This is just code for outsourcing. Americans who are all-in on remote work should recognize this.

Thar FUD was tired even before the pandemic, let alone when is being used as an illogical back-to-the-office prod. My attitude towards outsourcing at this point is put up or shut up. Nobody would be doing any threatening if there was anything actually there. We already have heard all of the tales of disastrous failed outsourcing attempts and mediocrity in "success".

Re: Brian Chesky: Ability to hire from anywhere is more valuable than in-office work

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Post by silisili »

jroseattle wrote: post #88

These remote-vs-office discussions where nobody discusses the actual work involved are fairly pointless. Disregarding the obvious scenarios of presence-required in order to work (i.e. manufacturing), the question applies: what is most productive for "information work"? In my personal experience, I've found collaboration conducted face-to-face far more effective than doing so in a distributed/online way. There is a hi…

I generally agree, but only to an extent.

When greenfielding something, or doing product research and design, I found in person much, much better.

But after that, it feels like you get a bit pigeon holed working onto said product for months or years, where the distractions of the office are a detriment.

I personally feel the best method is maintain a small office or offices for those that want it. Everyone can be remote by default, but must be able and available to travel to said offices as business needs see fit.

I actually worked that way before COVID and everyone else seemed to go remote, and I liked it better than this full remote stuff. I usually was onsite for 6 to 8 weeks out of the year.

Re: Brian Chesky: Ability to hire from anywhere is more valuable than in-office work

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Post by throwaway1777 »

charlie0 wrote: post #112
jroseattle wrote: post #88

These remote-vs-office discussions where nobody discusses the actual work involved are fairly pointless. Disregarding the obvious scenarios of presence-required in order to work (i.e. manufacturing), the question applies: what is most productive for "information work"? In my personal experience, I've found collaboration conducted face-to-face far more effective than doing so in a distributed/online way. There is a hi…

Does anyone give more than the minimum effort when they find themselves with a 2% to 4% raise, if any, in their yearly reviews, even if they are in the office?

Yes, some people like their jobs or see a way to advance their career.
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