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All the exciting media outlets are dying – what comes next?

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Re: All the exciting media outlets are dying – what comes next?

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Post by wesapien »

This is a good thing. Both have overstayed their welcome. Vice made interesting stories in the early 2010s and I watched some of it. The founder of Vice has been so far removed from where he started that he just DGAF.

I really didn't care for BuzzFed at all except for the food videos. It was great to see those group of people spin up their own an channel (About To Eat).

Another example is the Bon Apetit YouTube channel. Before Covid hit they were one of my favorite channels to watch. They just had a great mix of personalities and ideas. The sum was greater than its parts and they imploded. The channel has never been the same post Covid.

Re: All the exciting media outlets are dying – what comes next?

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Post by roer »

javajosh wrote: post #31
roer wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand your comparison to youtubers? They get paid for their work, and complain when the platform demonetizes their videos without being transparent in their reasoning. I understand if you meant that they were complaining about their views decreasing, or their content not being compatible with the guidelines of the platform, but that is in my experience not that common. It feels to me like that part of yo…

>...a stab at the value of youtube as a job in society Yes. Not to pick on youtube - it's just the strongest of the group of entities of which I'd include buzzfeed, vice and the rest. The world is saturated with entertainment, and it's not good for anyone. It's not good that kids grow up wanting to be youtubers not scientists. It's not good for the entertainers who chase the algorithm instead of building things or he…

That is a very subjective view, which, as you said in your first comment, will sort itself out eventually if it is meant for it to do so.

Re: All the exciting media outlets are dying – what comes next?

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Post by lancesells »

Karunamon wrote: post #62
karaterobot wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This, is such a succinct summary of what is wrong with the news that I am upvoting it even if you didn't mean it that way. To be clear: the curation social media does is perverse, because it bubbles the worst, most salacious and panicked stories to the top. Reading comments and quotes without having the context of the article itself is a great way to wind up angry and misinformed. If you're a news outlet, designing y…

> the curation social media does is perverse, because it bubbles the worst, most salacious and panicked stories to the top. As opposed to the mainstream media which… bubbles the worst, most salacious and panicked stories to the top. Social media did not invent or seemingly run by the aphorism "if it bleeds it leads". If anything, it was a few decades late to the party. At the end of the day, you can't force people to…

> bubbles the worst, most salacious and panicked stories to the top.

I think there's a big difference between traditional newspapers and media. Traditional newspapers definitely have things wrong and are trying to sell subscriptions but "media" channels are the culprits with selling fear and hate.

NY Times Front Page - Polls Close in Turkey as Erdogan Faces Tough Re-election Fight - Want to Make your Mom Happy? Tell her she was right - As Ukraine Makes Inroads in Bakhmut, Devastation Still Reigns - He Told Followers To Starve To Meet Jesus. Why Did So Many Do It?

Washington Post Front Page - Football bonded them. Its violence tore them apart. - Erdogan’s fate in the balance as polls close in Turkey election - Zelensky, in private, plots bold attacks inside Russia, leak shows - 4 ways to reconnect with parenting joy and build a child’s emotional skills

Boston Globe Front Page - Biden pleads for Congress to take steps to curb gun violence - Power Shift: In less than a decade, the state’s electric grid must dramatically transform. It won’t be easy. - Finally, a promising new class of drugs is making its way to Alzheimer’s patients - Alleged leaker Jack Teixeira fixated on guns and envisioned ‘race war’

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CNN Front Page - Russia may have just lost four aircraft in one day. What we know - She always felt safe in San Francisco. But the streets are different now - World’s oldest dog celebrates another birthday - The rise of the Supreme Court’s ‘shadow docket’ and how it can impact every American

Fox News Front Page - Marine veteran’s defense fund grows in just one day after being charged in subway chokehold death - Gov. Newsom facing political predicament as reparations experiment backfires - Police searching for gunman after 7 people reportedly shot in border city - NBA star appears to pull the same social media stunt that got him suspended

MSNBC Front Page - Happy mother's day to everyone — except Moms for Liberty - George Santos’ flawed attempt to emulate Donald Trump - This Eric Trump tweet yet again pushes a dangerous way of thinking - James Harden's friendship with a mass shooting survivor isn't a feel-good story

Re: All the exciting media outlets are dying – what comes next?

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Post by willdough »

roenxi wrote: post #17

The major problem I've observed is that the most important topic is politics - ie, what should we do next? The world of journalists is nearly the last place on earth people should be looking for political information. There are lies, few serious attempts at understanding the views of opponents, disinterest in the implications of the policies expounded and not even straightforward reporting of what people actually sai…

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Re: All the exciting media outlets are dying – what comes next?

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Post by wesapien »

javajosh wrote: post #31
roer wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand your comparison to youtubers? They get paid for their work, and complain when the platform demonetizes their videos without being transparent in their reasoning. I understand if you meant that they were complaining about their views decreasing, or their content not being compatible with the guidelines of the platform, but that is in my experience not that common. It feels to me like that part of yo…

>...a stab at the value of youtube as a job in society Yes. Not to pick on youtube - it's just the strongest of the group of entities of which I'd include buzzfeed, vice and the rest. The world is saturated with entertainment, and it's not good for anyone. It's not good that kids grow up wanting to be youtubers not scientists. It's not good for the entertainers who chase the algorithm instead of building things or he…

The world has moved on. Rick Beato also laments about the future of musicianship because of software tooks and how kids prefer to watch someone do something more than to do the thing.

Re: All the exciting media outlets are dying – what comes next?

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Post by willdough »

candiddevmike wrote: post #12
pembrook wrote: post #6

A big factor in the decline of internet media companies that nobody talks about—every single dominant social platform (except this one) now aggressively penalizes external links in their algorithms. This should be illegal for any dominant platform IMO, external links are the lifeblood of a free and open internet. They are the only release valve from the walled gardens the inevitably result from human power-law cluste…

Social media became better at curating news than the news sites themselves, IMO, and most folks end up just reading comments or quotes in the comments. There's also too much noise on most media outlets. I think most media outlets should look at LWN as a model for sustainability: niche stories, hyper focused on what their audience is interested in.

What is LWN?

Re: All the exciting media outlets are dying – what comes next?

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Post by detaro »

willdough wrote: post #76
candiddevmike wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Social media became better at curating news than the news sites themselves, IMO, and most folks end up just reading comments or quotes in the comments. There's also too much noise on most media outlets. I think most media outlets should look at LWN as a model for sustainability: niche stories, hyper focused on what their audience is interested in.

What is LWN?

https://lwn.net/

Re: All the exciting media outlets are dying – what comes next?

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Post by wesapien »

zpeti wrote: post #37

As much as many people here will hate this, it’s worth looking at what daily wire does and why it works, they have $200m+ revenue and are profitable. In a recent interview Ben Shapiro said it was never about building a publication but building an audience who you can sell products to. Which is why they are selling films and other content like lectures too. Many left wing orgs could do the same, but all they do is new…

They've become so incompetent that they can't even use their hegemony's victim ideology for their own profit

Re: All the exciting media outlets are dying – what comes next?

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Post by the_only_law »

javajosh wrote: post #31
roer wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand your comparison to youtubers? They get paid for their work, and complain when the platform demonetizes their videos without being transparent in their reasoning. I understand if you meant that they were complaining about their views decreasing, or their content not being compatible with the guidelines of the platform, but that is in my experience not that common. It feels to me like that part of yo…

>...a stab at the value of youtube as a job in society Yes. Not to pick on youtube - it's just the strongest of the group of entities of which I'd include buzzfeed, vice and the rest. The world is saturated with entertainment, and it's not good for anyone. It's not good that kids grow up wanting to be youtubers not scientists. It's not good for the entertainers who chase the algorithm instead of building things or he…

> It's not good that kids grow up wanting to be youtubers not scientists.

To be fair, it’s not like being scientist is overly appealing. You have years of education which is potentially very expensive all for what? Crappy paying postgrad work and a modern academic career m or maybe a meh job in industry research that still is probably not paying that great.

Not that I think they’d be better off in YouTube, at least on average.

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