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Re: Asus UK PR believes it is ‘legal to buy positive reviews’

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Post by Dalewyn »

merb wrote: post #130
Dalewyn wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[2] is explicit, saying "even when enabled via AMD hardware and/or software." If it wasn't clear, it's the footnote in [1]. Overclocking has always voided warranties, it's why overclocking has traditionally been the realm of enthusiasts and tinkerers who generally aren't concerned with reliability, safety, or monetary value and know what they're doing. The more mundane users really should be made aware that overclock…

amd expo is covered by warranty. expo also does not overclock the cpu. that amd expo changed cpu voltage was a decision by asus, not by amd, the asus implementation is basically not up to spec.

Overclocking RAM involves overclocking the memory controller which resides in the CPU.

AMD themselves also make it clear that users who overclock "assume all risks and liabilities that may arise out of overclocking and/or undervolting AMD processors" per the footnote on their EXPO page.

Overclocking will void warranties, this is a fact that anyone who wants to overclock has to accept. AMD should be ashamed for hiding the literature behind a hidden footnote, but that doesn't excuse end-user ignorance.

Re: Asus UK PR believes it is ‘legal to buy positive reviews’

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Post by merb »

Dalewyn wrote: post #131
merb wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

amd expo is covered by warranty. expo also does not overclock the cpu. that amd expo changed cpu voltage was a decision by asus, not by amd, the asus implementation is basically not up to spec.

Overclocking RAM involves overclocking the memory controller which resides in the CPU. AMD themselves also make it clear that users who overclock "assume all risks and liabilities that may arise out of overclocking and/or undervolting AMD processors" per the footnote on their EXPO page. Overclocking will void warranties, this is a fact that anyone who wants to overclock has to accept. AMD should be ashamed for hiding…

expo won't void warranty. amd replaces expo'd processors. they make advertisments with expo. in the eu/uk they would not stand a chance to refuse any rma whatsoever when expo was enabled.

Re: Asus UK PR believes it is ‘legal to buy positive reviews’

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Post by CoastalCoder »

Dwedit wrote: post #103
MrGilbert wrote: post #8

Asus is currently in a bad spot, as they released a BIOS update as Beta, which should address an issue where their boards would cause a CPU to explode. They did, however, leave the usual "this is beta, install on your own risk, this will void your warranty" disclaimer on, which currently backfires, as it seems as if Asus does not want to take responsibility. It is unknown if the statement was intentional , or just th…

Just wait until Windows Update automatically rolls out a beta BIOS update to every customer.

Honest question: Does Windows ever roll out BIOS updates?

I assumed not, but maybe I've just been away from it for too long.

Re: Asus UK PR believes it is ‘legal to buy positive reviews’

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Post by George83728 »

bastardoperator wrote: post #46
MrGilbert wrote: post #8

Asus is currently in a bad spot, as they released a BIOS update as Beta, which should address an issue where their boards would cause a CPU to explode. They did, however, leave the usual "this is beta, install on your own risk, this will void your warranty" disclaimer on, which currently backfires, as it seems as if Asus does not want to take responsibility. It is unknown if the statement was intentional , or just th…

You do understand that this drama is for enabling them to get more views? Dude literally has two side by side mountains of free asus gear and is crying. The white motherboard, he doesn't say he bought it, he says he "requested" it and goes on to cry that his request for free shit wasn't handled properly. I ended up blocking his channel because sensationalist BS on youtube needs to die.

The whole channel is a glorified infomercial. I have no clue what people see in it.

Re: Asus UK PR believes it is ‘legal to buy positive reviews’

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Post by bick_nyers »

MrGilbert wrote: post #29
blagie wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who is considered good right now? Asus was my go-to brand for quality, but I haven't looked in a decade or more. I'm glad to pay a modest premium for reliability. I'd like parts which are well-tested, use high-quality capacitors, and have basic safety features (like over-current / over-voltage protection on power supplies). What I'd really like is a review site which steps through the engineering of things like mothe…

Asrock was so annoyed being called out as "the mainboards to avoid", that they stepped up their game quite a lot. Their products are quite decent.

ASRock is my go to, especially because of their support for Unbuffered ECC on consumer boards.

Re: Asus UK PR believes it is ‘legal to buy positive reviews’

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Post by LegitShady »

thewebcount wrote: post #92
IX-103 wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You clearly never have worked in a large company. Changing a simple word can take weeks before it even goes to the translation team. Changing a disclaimer involves legal so expect a month of committee meetings before anything new is proposed.

A friend told me this story: He works for a large company as a software developer. He made a PR to change a compiler setting. It was rejected because the build team believed it would cause them to have to add more machines to the build fleet, and they hadn’t met with the finance team to discuss that, yet. I wouldn’t have thought that changing a compiler setting would require capital expenditures, but here we are.

When your friend makes a PR to change compiler settings, it becomes a committee meeting. If the executive director says "GET RID OF THAT LINE ON THE WEBSITE ITS HURTING OUR BUSINESS" it's a 2 hour meeting between leadership, engineering, and legal, and communications and its done.

The speed of the change is proportional to personal authority within the organization of the person requesting the change. When ASUS says "we're working on it" what they mean is "leadership doesn't give a shit".

Re: Asus UK PR believes it is ‘legal to buy positive reviews’

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Post by tinus_hn »

MrGilbert wrote: post #8

Asus is currently in a bad spot, as they released a BIOS update as Beta, which should address an issue where their boards would cause a CPU to explode. They did, however, leave the usual "this is beta, install on your own risk, this will void your warranty" disclaimer on, which currently backfires, as it seems as if Asus does not want to take responsibility. It is unknown if the statement was intentional , or just th…

> Asus also failed to negotiate further sponsoring the channel by simply not getting back to requests.

This doesn’t really sound like an unbiased source with respect to the quality of Asus products.

Re: Asus UK PR believes it is ‘legal to buy positive reviews’

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Post by bastardoperator »

MrGilbert wrote: post #113
bastardoperator wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How can I expect take any reviewer seriously when they're getting paid by the people they're reviewing? It sounds like the guy in this video didn't get a sponsorship agreement and went scorched earth. I can at least respect Steve to some degree despite his constant negativity, that he will say what he feels regardless. I don't alway agree with the doom and gloom, but that's his style and it seems to work for him. I c…

It's not "free merchandize", as I outlined quite extensively a few posts above. Why he has choosen Asus is also explained in the video. He doesn't rant about Asus because he didn't get a sponsorship, he rants about them because they screwed customers over and failed to stand up for their mistakes in present and past. I think that's a huge difference.

It is for him. You don't get to complain about a product when you're not actually buying the product or when you are in fact getting paid by a product manufacturer to showcase their products under the guise of a "review".

He does rant about not having a sponsorship agreement with Asus. He clearly says all of his other sponsorship agreements finalized in Jan 2023, but that Asus hasn't.

He has no clue if customers have been screwed over because he's never been a customer, and if he is, let's say he used his own money to buy the Hero board he mentions in the video, why did he go Asus like 5 weeks ago for his own stuff if he thought they were bad products, or a bad company?

This sums up the entire ordeal perfectly, maybe it's backpedaling, but this doesn't seem like customers are getting screwed over.

https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/13g3yep/comment/j...

Re: Asus UK PR believes it is ‘legal to buy positive reviews’

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Post by petercooper »

newsclues wrote: post #76
DizzyDoo wrote: post #66

My dentist here in Canada has signs up that advertise that you get a free electric tooth brush if you leave a 5 star review on Google. I've not done that, it seems quite wrong, but I would imagine this is also very much against Google's policies? I was surprised how clear and obvious the signage was. Seems to have worked though, the dentist's office has lots of 5 star reviews.

People will give up passwords for a cheap pen. Free stuff is a hack for many peoples minds. There is a reason salespeople will bring you a coffee and donut.

Bit of a tangent, but there are further psychological reasons why hot drinks are used in sales situations: https://news.yale.edu/2008/10/23/hot-coffee-we-see-warm-hear...

Re: Asus UK PR believes it is ‘legal to buy positive reviews’

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Post by Ryccardo »

CoastalCoder wrote: post #133
Dwedit wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just wait until Windows Update automatically rolls out a beta BIOS update to every customer.

Honest question: Does Windows ever roll out BIOS updates? I assumed not, but maybe I've just been away from it for too long.

Yes - well, EFI updates (you get, non-sarcastically, to guess at the reason for this design choice, but as a matter of fact it only supports the "EFI capsule" system popularized by AMI's Aptio and Insyde's H2O)

Anyway, if you're running Win8+ in EFI mode you'll see "Firmware" in Device Manager, which just like any other "device" in the list can have its "driver" upgraded, this unsurprisingly being a special case of driver: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/drivers/b...

And yes, if you know how commercial PC firmwares are made [cooperation between CPU/chipset maker and firmware corporation, who then sells the semi-finished product to the motherboard manufacturer - most famously "To be filled by O.E.M." :P ], some times it goes wrong, namely when two different designs get the same ID like the generic default: https://web.archive.org/web/20170101104905/http://www.minixf... (scroll down to post 10)

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