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Three Companies Impersonated Millions to Influence Internet Policy

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Re: Three Companies Impersonated Millions to Influence Internet Policy

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Post by ShroudedNight »

explorer83 wrote: post #148
citizen_friend wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just to speculate: - perhaps it includes auditing and reporting measures to ensure they aren't doing this things. - maybe its really hard to guarantee exactly equal performance for all traffic and they examine the traffic and do different things depending on the domain to balance loads

To overly simplify it I believe we witnessed a battle of big tech vs big ISP. Each had a financial stake. Big ISP didn't want to pay for investments in infrastructure it didn't think would bring a good ROI or the extra costs you mentioned above with having to comply with new government regulations. And Big tech didn't want to pay extra fees for being some of the biggest servers of data on the internet. The fact so ma…

Big tech has large service costs because a large number of little people are requesting data from their networks. Data for which the transit has already been payed for by the requestor. Despite the 'asymmetries' in throughput vectors, the market value equivalent of a Poynting vector is minimized with settlement-free peering. Paid peering is only enforceable because there are few enough retail providers for large segments of the population that they can wield monopsony power without customers fleeing on masse from degraded service.

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Post by Sai_ »

bluSCALE4 wrote: post #200
MathMonkeyMan wrote: post #159

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Imagine if your television only showed you ads and propaganda.

It works so well too. Was on a r/visible, a Verizon subsidiary and they claim unlimited but it's really 1TB or less otherwise they threaten you. The thing is there are laws in place that bar carriers from doing this and the guy pointing this out is downvoted to hell because everyone there are all corporate defenders. Blow my mind that the phone consumer market are so gullible. When Comcast was pulling this shit, peop…

> defenders

I read your comment as “…corporate defrauders…” and it made just as much sense in context.

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Post by ShroudedNight »

bombcar wrote: post #135
RajT88 wrote: post #110

I remember debating with a guy I know about Net Neutrality leading up to this. He was a sales director at a company that ran network backbone and fiber lines. He was insistent that the Net Neutrality debate was dumb, because it was trying to negate the peering agreements that make the industry run. The way he told it, anyone with a big backbone chooses to invest in peering arrangements with other companies who also m…

There’s something there - Netflix had just moved to a tier 2/3 provider and they weren’t peered well and Netflix was trying to get the big ISPs to peer instead of selling transit - peering for an almost entirely one way connection. The t1s weren’t having it. The moment Netflix setup caching servers in isp COs around the world they stopped caring about net neutrality. Strange.

My understanding was that the retail ISP monopolies were refusing Netflix's caching servers unless Netflix agreed to pay 'value'-priced access contracts.

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Post by morsch »

Jupe wrote: post #98

> LCX and Lead ID were responsible for many of these fake comments, letters, and petition signatures. Across four advocacy campaigns in 2017 and 2018, LCX fabricated consumer responses used in approximately 900,000 public comments submitted to the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and the Bureau of Ocean Energy Management (BOEM) at the U.S. Department of the Interior. Similarly, in advocacy campaigns between 2017…

So we know they manipulated the net neutrality debate, but what are the EPA and the BOEM processes that they attacked?

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Post by oefnak »

adriand wrote: post #73
dmbche wrote: post #59

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I keep getting this eerie feeling when seeing product reviews and the rest of things you list here - I would never in a million year consider writing a paragraph long glowing review of my car jack on amazon, and yet there are millions of such interactions all over the web.

I was startled to recently discover that a local gastroenterologist has numerous excellent reviews on Google Maps by people talking about what a lovely colonoscopy they had, some of whom related the specific medical condition that brought them there. Never in a million years would I consider doing this either. It turns out people are pretty weird.

> I was startled to recently discover that a local gastroenterologist has numerous excellent reviews on Google Maps by people talking about what a lovely colonoscopy they had, some of whom related the specific medical condition that brought them there. Never in a million years would I consider doing this either. It turns out people are pretty weird.

I mean, you kinda are talking about visiting a colonoscopist on hacker news, so there's that.

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Post by fwlr »

callalex wrote: post #180
fwlr wrote: post #138

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Doesn’t seem like a dumb argument to me, although I don’t think net neutrality would have actually interrupted or replaced most of those peering arrangements in practice. If you’re pushing 15% of all internet traffic you’re going to end up peering, the best I can see net neutrality doing for Netflix is it sets the default payment to $0, giving them a better bargaining position going into any negotiation about peering…

Internet traffic is not “pushed” onto ISPs. The paying customers of ISPs request data from providers, and they pay those ISPs to receive and deliver that traffic.

“If 15% of all internet traffic is requested from you by the paying customers of ISPs, you’re going to end up peering with the ISPs”

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Post by netzego »

Jupe wrote: post #98

> LCX and Lead ID were responsible for many of these fake comments, letters, and petition signatures. Across four advocacy campaigns in 2017 and 2018, LCX fabricated consumer responses used in approximately 900,000 public comments submitted to the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and the Bureau of Ocean Energy Management (BOEM) at the U.S. Department of the Interior. Similarly, in advocacy campaigns between 2017…

That bit friendly fraud must stay profitable. Otherwise the enemy would do it for half the price! And besides, they just protected their jobs. That reasonable and everybody would have done this!!

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Post by ShroudedNight »

oefnak wrote: post #205
adriand wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was startled to recently discover that a local gastroenterologist has numerous excellent reviews on Google Maps by people talking about what a lovely colonoscopy they had, some of whom related the specific medical condition that brought them there. Never in a million years would I consider doing this either. It turns out people are pretty weird.

> I was startled to recently discover that a local gastroenterologist has numerous excellent reviews on Google Maps by people talking about what a lovely colonoscopy they had, some of whom related the specific medical condition that brought them there. Never in a million years would I consider doing this either. It turns out people are pretty weird. I mean, you kinda are talking about visiting a colonoscopist on hack…

For all we know, they may well have had an upper endoscopy.
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