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Three Companies Impersonated Millions to Influence Internet Policy

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Re: Three Companies Impersonated Millions to Influence Internet Policy

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Let's put some shareholders in prison.

Just the executives

I would be completely open to prosecuting a majority stake holder who insisted they were not responsible for a companies' abhorent actions because we have no evidence that all their personal requests passed the board.

Re: Three Companies Impersonated Millions to Influence Internet Policy

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> LCX and Lead ID were responsible for many of these fake comments, letters, and petition signatures. Across four advocacy campaigns in 2017 and 2018, LCX fabricated consumer responses used in approximately 900,000 public comments submitted to the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and the Bureau of Ocean Energy Management (BOEM) at the U.S. Department of the Interior. Similarly, in advocacy campaigns between 2017…

I found this: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/06/technology/internet-provi... Says a bunch of companies received millions in fines a few years ago and it names AT&T, Charter, Comcast and some lobbying group.

Imagine if your water pipe decided to only serve you water occasionally, and when it did threw some random bull-crap in there?

Who would vote for that system?

Re: Three Companies Impersonated Millions to Influence Internet Policy

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Here is my simple reasoning: (1) Large internet companies fight feverishly for net neutrality. (2) Based on past experience, it is inconceivable to me that they would so feverishly fight for the end-users' benefit. (3) Therefore, they fight for the net neutrality because it very beneficial to them.

I am guessing there is something inside Internet backbone data transfer that allows these companies to make tons of money/get large subsidies, provided that net neutrality is in place. I would love to understand that it is.

Re: Three Companies Impersonated Millions to Influence Internet Policy

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This isn't a meaningful tautology. "The system is unjust because it is unjust and therefore must always be unjust." We can and should improve society.

> This isn't a meaningful tautology. "The system is unjust because it is unjust and therefore must always be unjust." > We can and should improve society. We should, but what makes you think that we can?

I've seen amazing progress over my lifetime, and I see enormous potential in current social movements. It's not guaranteed, and I see incredibly destructive social movements picking up speed as well, but I do believe it's possible.

Re: Three Companies Impersonated Millions to Influence Internet Policy

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What if? That's almost certainly what happened.

/\---- This! In fact, if you were paying attention to FCC proceedings during that time, I'd be surprised if you came away with any other conclusion.

There is a reason that "Fuck Ajit Pai." is a meme.

Re: Three Companies Impersonated Millions to Influence Internet Policy

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$615 million dollars seems like chump change for 9 million counts of identity fraud. I recently read a story where the local DA in Portland charged a homeless man for identity theft for stealing a wallet. He hadn't tried to represent himself as the other person; he literally just had the wallet and ID. Yet again, turns out it's OK if you're a corporation.

Portland arresting a homeless person? I doubt it.

Re: Three Companies Impersonated Millions to Influence Internet Policy

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> LCX and Lead ID were responsible for many of these fake comments, letters, and petition signatures. Across four advocacy campaigns in 2017 and 2018, LCX fabricated consumer responses used in approximately 900,000 public comments submitted to the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and the Bureau of Ocean Energy Management (BOEM) at the U.S. Department of the Interior. Similarly, in advocacy campaigns between 2017…

This is why, I think, the future is either putting your money (or at least provable identity) where your mouth is, or not being heard (e.g. because everyone will assume a petition without hard proofs of identity fake).

Yes, this is disenfranchising. But not being heard while some company pretends to speak for you is even more disenfranchising.

Re: Three Companies Impersonated Millions to Influence Internet Policy

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Here is my simple reasoning: (1) Large internet companies fight feverishly for net neutrality. (2) Based on past experience, it is inconceivable to me that they would so feverishly fight for the end-users' benefit. (3) Therefore, they fight for the net neutrality because it very beneficial to them. I am guessing there is something inside Internet backbone data transfer that allows these companies to make tons of mone…

Or by the same logic:

(1) Large ISP companies fight feverishly against net neutrality. (2) Based on past experience, it is inconceivable to me that they would so feverishly fight for the end-users' benefit. (3) Therefore, they fight against net neutrality because ending it is very beneficial to them. (4) If it's so beneficial to them, ending net neutrality is probably not so good for the end-users.

Which one?

Re: Three Companies Impersonated Millions to Influence Internet Policy

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post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I found this: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/06/technology/internet-provi... Says a bunch of companies received millions in fines a few years ago and it names AT&T, Charter, Comcast and some lobbying group.

Imagine if your water pipe decided to only serve you water occasionally, and when it did threw some random bull-crap in there? Who would vote for that system?

Imagine if your television only showed you ads and propaganda.
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