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Fake scientific papers are alarmingly common

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Re: Fake scientific papers are alarmingly common

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Post by newswasboring »

caddemon wrote: post #84
newswasboring wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So it's ok to lie in a portion of your work? Where do you draw the line? I draw it when someone starts communicating. Being wrong is ok, being deceitful isn't.

Is this headline really deceitful though? Certainly the research is flawed, but the statement "[bad thing] is alarmingly common" is basically just a subjective statement that lets you know what position the author is going to argue.

I will never understand why everyone bends over backwards to justify lazy af journalism. This a magazine which is supposed to do scientific journalism, yet it didn't even mention the points that readers in HN comments were able to figure out on a cursory look. Peer review isn't just the 3 reviewers who accept or reject something in a journal. It's everyone in the scientific community.

Re: Fake scientific papers are alarmingly common

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Post by pvaldes »

wongarsu wrote: post #12
vhcr wrote: post #2

> STM hasn’t yet generated figures on accuracy or false-positive rates because the project is too new. But catching as many fakes as possible typically produces more false positives. Sabel’s tool correctly flagged nearly 90% of fraudulent or retracted papers in a test sample. However, it marked up to 44% of genuine papers as fake

> so results still need to be confirmed by skilled reviewers So there is some human review involved. Which is presumably how they got to the headline figures of 34% of neuroscience papers and 24% of medicine papers are fake. Still, flagging 44% of genuine papers as fake doesn't sound very useful. The process only about halves your workload compared to just checking all the papers. In any large-scale rollout they woul…

If they thing that people can do research in medicine without having legal access to the patients (AKA some kind of Hospital affiliation), they are clueless about medical research. They don't seem to understand how much hospitals, medical companies and academy are interwined now. Lots of relevant physicians are also teachers, direct a research team or are testers from new products.

They are also tagging all independent non affiliated researchers as fake. Do they know how many young people are doing science in the universities as temporary collabo-slaves without right to a nice personal mail?. Their detector would tag Einstein and Erdos as fake scientists by Pete's sake!. They just have a narrow vision tunnel about how the real research works

Re: Fake scientific papers are alarmingly common

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Post by pvaldes »

The requirement to be introduced in the club by a international (ehum... anglo-saxon) partner is very condescending, and scientific colonialism at its best. The burden of the white scientist.

People can do science on local problems without being babysat by a foreigner that most of the time will just appear and sign.

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