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The decline and fall of the hit instrumental song

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Robert Miles - Children Guru Josh - Infinity Hot Butter - popcorn Harold Faltermeyer - Axel F Chariots of Fire - Vangelis Star Wars - John Williams Pick up the Pieces - Average White Band

Robert Miles - Children Harold Faltermeyer - Axel F Chariots of Fire - Vangelis Vangelis - so many - Love Theme from Blade Runner , Conquest of Paradise - just show you how terrible my memory is.

were the other vangelis tracks actually chart hits? My memory is that chariots of fire hit the charts?

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Oneohtrix

He's overdue for a new album. I didn't think he'd be able to top GoD, but Magic OPN is fantastic. Apparently he's working for Disney right now Related: Squarepusher. His album Ultravisitor will melt your brain

Ah that album is soooo good.

Saw him live a few years back with a band. Great with a band (the band was great too), but as one dude at the show said, "It's crazy to think that he can legit do all of this alone without the band".

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Carbon Based Lifeforms anyone? Solar Fields? Solar Fields did soundtrack for Mirror's Edge for example. So many good composers doing electro/synth instrumentals nowadays but aren't mainstream, which might be good thing

> Carbon Based Lifeforms anyone? Of course! I recommend anyone not knowing them to check their "MOS6581" song (and not just for its title: it's a totally epic song).

Some of their songs hit me hard, MOS6581 is one of them. Also I am very into stargazing, these kinds of songs are best to listen when staring into infinity

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I'm not American so have no idea what you mean. My point was that she was busy with a non-musical project for several years. I have not met her since the pandemic though.

What did you think that information was adding to the conversation? As readers what are we supposed to get from what you typed? What do you think @copperx thought it was? Your nationality shouldn't matter in any of that.

The information added is that maybe Vanessa Mae doesn't count as a currently active instrumentalist.

I have no idea at all what the post by @copperx means, I am a native English speaker.

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Yeah, I had a similar thought around "favorite producer" as the language to use these days. I saw RZA speak a few years back and one thing he mentioned was that he just didn't have access to instruments and instrumental teaching when he was a kid like others may have had in earlier generations. He said something to the extent of "I could have been Mozart if I had had that access". What he did have access to was an AS…

You could argue the restrictions caused by not having access to formal music education and classical instruments caused a lot of innovation in the music space. People made music long before any kind of formal music theory was a thing and will make music nonetheless.

Oh for sure, I'm very glad RZA exists and made the music he did. Knowing your flat 9s and 13s isn't going to make you a great player on it's own. Pushing the tools you have available is often where the interesting things live.

But I'm still always surprised when people just don't even know what instruments are called [1]. (It's not their fault, of course).

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peek_a_Boo_(Lil_Yachty_song)#L...

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I can only recall a few songs in my lifetime that was instrumentals that were hits. Apache by The Shadows The good the bad and the ugly from the same movie Ballade for Adeline - Richard Clayderman and lastly Crockett's Theme from Miami Vice. Also Kenny G was big in my days but then they started with using guest vocalists on their music.

If you remember those songs, then surely you must have heard many more from the same era. TFA totally glosses over the increase in instrumental popularity during the 60s and 1970s. Two big factors completely missing are 1) decline of Top 40 AM radio, and 2) decline of 7-inch 45 vinyl singles. I remember the following instrumental hits of the era, they may not have reached number 1 but were definitely played a lot on…

Pipeline.

Wipe Out.

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I love instrumental music, or even instrumental solos. Instrumental sort of died on the radio after the Van Halen era. Long gone are the days of Spanish Guitar, and groovy hits like Green Onions… even Evil Ways by Santana could probably be thrown in. Sowing of, the last holdout for long instrumental solos was Country music, but even they’ve fallen to the dreaded Nicki Minaj interlude as the genre has moved to four ch…

>‘Well there weren’t amps.’” Albeit a simplification, Setzer’s quip is pretty accurate.

Seems like Setzer can quip pretty accurately from time to time. Not too many like him.

For almost 20 years starting in the early 1960's, guitar amplifiers got more capable every year in ways that professionals could appreciate.

Santana was a good example, before Woodstock he was already developing his maxed single-note lead guitar tone & style. He's always been the bandleader and never intended to do vocals so his flambuoyant instrumental style makes for a good frontman, his vocalists over the years have been professional sidemen. Every year he would come back with better amps than the year before, same with lots of classic rockers, like Steppenwolf or the Beach Boys. You could see the smile on their faces as they played last year's hits with their new-found stonk. Better equpment each year than had ever existed before.

Before that it was not too easy to make single-string guitar notes loud enough to stand out from the mix and substitute for the original rock & roll melody instrument, the saxophone.

Players needed to bang on all six strings at a time just to be heard, keeping them in the rhythm section. Plus it took a while for solid-body guitars to proliferate, which could actually be cranked without feedback.

Vocalists had to fight feedback too and were mostly the only electified member of a big band or jazz group.

Nobody really had enough satisfying power for any of this until the 1960's.

The 1950's Fender Bassman preferred by Setzer for his lead guitar playing is only a 50-watt amplifier, not really voiced differently than other amps sold for 6-string guitarists. There was just no reverb or tremolo on a Bassman since bass players really did not need effects. It had strong enough speakers to be run at full volume where the tubes were easily overdriven to some tasty distortion for guitarists but bass players growing up all said WTF. It wasn't good enough for rock bass with only 50W when you really need about 300W for clean bass to be as loud as an acoustic drum kit. But cranked all the way up a 50W amp is barely loud enough for lead guitar though.

When you think about it, when the Bassman was designed it was intended to make Fender's new solid-body basses as loud as an acoustic string bass. Otherwise you wouldn't hear anything. That's really about all it will do for a bass, man.

Ampeg was a bit ahead of Fender at the time, their amps were designed to make an acoustic string bass louder to begin with so they could be heard along with all the horns.

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What did you think that information was adding to the conversation? As readers what are we supposed to get from what you typed? What do you think @copperx thought it was? Your nationality shouldn't matter in any of that.

The information added is that maybe Vanessa Mae doesn't count as a currently active instrumentalist. I have no idea at all what the post by @copperx means, I am a native English speaker.

1) websearch "vanessa mae" and you would have heard her work in less time that it took to type the message. Estimate: less than a minute.

2) websearch "flex" and you would have understood what that means in even less time.

> Haven't heard any of her work, have skied with her though.

Totality of what you wrote. It does not convey any meaning regarding whether someone is an "active instrumentalist."

Best.

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Fully agreed. Given my background, I was (and am) mostly listening to German Hip-Hop (but of course it’s born out of US Hip-Hop, which I appreciate as well, including Illmatic and pretty much anything with “primo beats”), but the same thing applies. I do value good lyrics of course, but for a track to be really good, it primarily has to have a really good beat, and really good flow in how the lyrics are presented. Th…

for english-as-a-second-language people it comes no suprise you'd have an adjusted ear for the music vis-a-vis the lyrical end of the songs. if youre not putting together the words fluidly, youre not getting the 'solo opera singer on the stage' attention to the movie that the words provide. when the words fail you, its important to have good production values to fall back on and enjoy in the song. i believe most the…

I don't know how that follows from what I said. I was talking about German Hip-Hop, where I do understand the words just like a US-native listener would in US Hip-Hop. And for that, "it primarily has to have a really good beat, and really good flow in how the lyrics are presented" is true for me. I don't know why that would be different in a different language.

(By the way, I've been in the US long enough that the same is approximately true for US Hip-Hop by now, but that's neither here nor there.)

> i believe most the people in the US however are words above all listeners, and will accept subpar production, because theyre focused on the 'opera singer and the movie.'

That's what I dispute. Obviously I have no hard data, but just at a cursory look it seems to me that, in US Hip-Hop as well, good beats and flow with subpar lyrics tend to do better overall than good lyrics with subpart beats and flows.

This is no different from any other genre of music.

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