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TikTok Owner Had 'Backdoor' for CCP Access to US Data, Lawsuit Alleges

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Re: TikTok Owner Had 'Backdoor' for CCP Access to US Data, Lawsuit Alleges

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Post by pessimizer »

consumer451 wrote: post #16
HWR_14 wrote: post #11

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That's not an interesting question. No, no they should not. And that would be true even if there were US investors. Just like we don't compensate AirBnB shareholders when cities outlaw short term rentals. But, there are no non-Chinese investors in Bytedance. There are US investors in Hong Kong (?) companies that have exposure to Bytedance and move 1:1 with Bytedance, but explicitly included in their risk analysis is…

> That's not an interesting question. It is very interesting to me to see if the US government is capable of putting the average citizen's welfare above that of heavy hitting investors. It would be a welcome change if they did. > ByteDance is financially backed by Kohlberg Kravis Roberts, SoftBank Group, Sequoia Capital, General Atlantic, and Hillhouse Capital Group. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ByteDance

What relationship could banning TikTok possibly have to the average citizen's welfare?

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Post by Joeri »

meowtimemania wrote: post #198
hiatus wrote: post #116

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> Ultimately you are in control of your eyeballs and your time. Stop watching! There are people making hundreds of thousands of dollars whose sole job is to get you locked into a feedback loop in these apps. We are engineering addiction.

Why would TikTok or FaceBook not engineer addiction? It generates more money for them. If they don't engineer addiction, another company will emerge and engineer addiction. I think this type of problem has to be solved by the government.

Should all addictive products be allowed? When does such a product deserve being regulated or outlawed?

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Post by baq »

karmajunkie wrote: post #175
ipv6ipv4 wrote: post #159

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> How do we get rid of it? Put down your phone.

You get points for pithy snark, but given that the problem predates smartphones, this isn't likely to solve it.

The smartphone enables extreme personalization of the bamboozle. Maybe not that simple but would go a long way.

Re: TikTok Owner Had 'Backdoor' for CCP Access to US Data, Lawsuit Alleges

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Post by pessimizer »

oblak wrote: post #107

Has anyone noticed that at least 99% of any "news", forum posts, etc. containing "CCP" are pure regurgitated political garbage? It cannot be just bots and psy ops. Real people do this sort of thing, too. Quite impressive how an entire population has been whipped into parroting this crap while pointing the finger. It wish it was funny but it isn't.

> how an entire population has been whipped into parroting this crap

It's not organic. Fairly apolitical people are being tricked into passively supporting it by the media illusion that it's an overwhelming consensus.

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Post by brandall10 »

codedokode wrote: post #192
1101010010 wrote: post #52

Social media access to user data (whether foreign or domestic) is bad, but it is a distraction from the real evil: behavioral management at scale. When you can target specific demographics and control what they see 8-10 hours of the day, you can change what they think, say, do, and most importantly, how they vote. People are literally being programmed (euphemistically, "conditioned") by the specific triggers and stim…

This is not something new. History shows that when the government controls the media, it can control people's opinions and beliefs. The only difference is that now the control over TikTok users' minds is not in the hands of US Government and that's why they are unhappy.

The Century of the Self by Adam Curtis is a great doc on how this took shape in the early 20th century; its primary focus was the double nephew of Sigmund Freud who invented public relations and was a powerful political consultant for many US administrations.

One of his main areas of research was using media as a tool for crowd control... he had a somewhat noble viewpoint about it, believing that large crowds by nature devolved into anarchy: "Intelligent men must realize that propaganda is the modern instrument by which they can fight for productive ends and help to bring order out of chaos".

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Post by pessimizer »

nabakin wrote: post #90
bioemerl wrote: post #50

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They might be trying, but the end result will be a petty destruction of progress. "In order to make any change you must fix my much larger and harder to solve issue" will ensure that nothing ever gets done. In the face of just how serious this risk is, this sort of stance is self destructive and nearly malicious.

Why can't you believe both are issues and be in support of the resolution of both?

That's also a copout that liberals spent a few years repeating in Spanish for some reason. TikTok is not at all a problem. The fact that all of your data is already on sale, cheaply, publicly, and legally, is.

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Post by pessimizer »

penjelly wrote: post #144
Zigurd wrote: post #117

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"immeasurable"

okay for example. weapon/equipment types, base locations, squad sizes, army morale, etc.. Does that not make sense? You can glean a lot from those videos. I cant possibly name every one

You can name a single event where it made a difference.

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Post by mplewis »

echelon wrote: post #190
Garvi wrote: post #101

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When you hear something outrageous on FOX or CNN, you yell "bullshit" at the TV. When you read the same thing on Facebook and see 20 of your friends positively interacting with the news story and showing their approval, you remain quiet at best, join the lunacy at worst. What you don't see is the three shadowbanned accounts explaining why it's lunacy.

How much traction could a lawsuit against Reddit, Twitter, etc. have against the practice of banning or shadowbanning? If a user could show good faith participation, could they claim they've been prohibited from exercising freedom of expression in a public forum? Suppose someone was banned from a subreddit for their particular hobby or, worse, city or region. This might be the single biggest forum for that person to…

Are you talking about the First Amendment?

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Post by nojonestownpls »

bostonwalker wrote: post #186
lopkeny12ko wrote: post #133

Half of the comments in this thread sound like they were written by CCP propaganda chatbots. A dead giveaway is the failure to address the topic at hand and immediately deflect to "but the USA does XYZ too!" No one is disputing such a claim, but that's also not what we're talking about here.

For reference: this specific fallacy being invoked by the CCP astroturfers is called “whataboutism”.

It's strange that old expressions like "the US is throwing stones from a glass house" or "the US is like a pot calling the kettle black" have existed for a long enough time to be idioms, but the term for decrying such expressions "whataboutism" is relatively much newer and more of a political term than a language idiom.

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Post by goolz »

bostonwalker wrote: post #189
kelipso wrote: post #185

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Lol. Dump all the US instances into the memory hole. Only bring it up when China does it. When you bring up how US does it too, it's "whataboutism". Have to say it's a great strategy for maintaining a narrative.

Would China allow US to spy on hundreds of millions of its citizens everyday? Answer: no, reference the Great Firewall.

You don't actually believe that is what it is for right? This is sarcasm? I can not tell...
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