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TikTok Owner Had 'Backdoor' for CCP Access to US Data, Lawsuit Alleges

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how does this differ from newspapers, books and the spoken word?

Reach, cost and effectiveness. Newspapers can't follow you around like social networking sites do. A handful of Twitter/FB accounts can do an amount of damage that newspapers can only dream of. None of which is to say newspapers are great. After all, Murdoch honed his skills in print media first. Just that they are nowhere near as effective as online

A newspaper owner, William Randolph Hearst, once started a war with Spain.

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Has anyone noticed that at least 99% of any "news", forum posts, etc. containing "CCP" are pure regurgitated political garbage? It cannot be just bots and psy ops. Real people do this sort of thing, too. Quite impressive how an entire population has been whipped into parroting this crap while pointing the finger. It wish it was funny but it isn't.

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Well, it's probably because they don't call themselves CCP or CPC but 中国共产党

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The Chinese government, like the US government or any other large national government, is not monolithic. In what meaningful way does one part of the Chinese government differ from another part of the Chinese government? Isn't Xi basically the supreme leader for life now?

Xi is head of state as president, but not head of government (like King of England). Li Qiang is head of government as premier and is chief executive of the Chinese government. If you ask a Chinese citizen what their biggest problem is, many of them would say too much federalism. Individual provinces have more individual authority than even US States and most controversial policies (1 child, social credit, lockdowns)…

> If you ask a Chinese citizen what their biggest problem is, many of them would say too much federalism

That's also what Xi would say.

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the value of china gaining that info is immeasurable. specifically, what im saying we are underestimating the amount and value of the data even this one example provides to china. That was just one search

"immeasurable"

okay for example. weapon/equipment types, base locations, squad sizes, army morale, etc.. Does that not make sense? You can glean a lot from those videos. I cant possibly name every one

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Social media access to user data (whether foreign or domestic) is bad, but it is a distraction from the real evil: behavioral management at scale. When you can target specific demographics and control what they see 8-10 hours of the day, you can change what they think, say, do, and most importantly, how they vote. People are literally being programmed (euphemistically, "conditioned") by the specific triggers and stim…

Regarding your comment about behavioral management at scale. Carl Sagan once said: "If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It's simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we've been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back."

It would be interesting to know if this were true in that case.

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Social media access to user data (whether foreign or domestic) is bad, but it is a distraction from the real evil: behavioral management at scale. When you can target specific demographics and control what they see 8-10 hours of the day, you can change what they think, say, do, and most importantly, how they vote. People are literally being programmed (euphemistically, "conditioned") by the specific triggers and stim…

If you’re an adult watching TikTok 8-10 hours a day that’s on you to fix. When I was at my “peak”, I was watching 2-3 hours a day and that felt like a lot. If a kid is watching TikTok 8-10 hours a day, that’s on the parents to fix. This is like the hot dog man meme. “Who’s responsible for this?” Ultimately you are in control of your eyeballs and your time. Stop watching! Or not. TikTok is awesome. Watch it 8-10 hours…

It's also OK to go after the shady character spending all its effort manipulating and spying. I get lots of things do their best to do this, but this is the CCP in your living room. There should be a line somewhere.

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Newspapers aren't nearly as effective at keeping attention indefinitely/at every opportunity, nor at controlling what you read next.

Fox news seems to have done a pretty good job of this in the US

Presumably most viewers have chosen that echo chamber, so it really isn’t the same to compare it.

Also Fox News has only a few million viewers each night e.g. “Fox News Channel coasted to an easy win in prime time Monday night, delivering an average total audience of 2.351 million viewers”.

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Xi is head of state as president, but not head of government (like King of England). Li Qiang is head of government as premier and is chief executive of the Chinese government. If you ask a Chinese citizen what their biggest problem is, many of them would say too much federalism. Individual provinces have more individual authority than even US States and most controversial policies (1 child, social credit, lockdowns)…

> If you ask a Chinese citizen what their biggest problem is, many of them would say too much federalism. Presumably that’s because protesting against the central government endangers not just your own livelihood but also the livelihoods of your relatives. Much safer to criticise the region next door.

This logic doesn’t pass the smell test. It’s not any less illegal to protest your regional government than the central Chinese government.

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Reach, cost and effectiveness. Newspapers can't follow you around like social networking sites do. A handful of Twitter/FB accounts can do an amount of damage that newspapers can only dream of. None of which is to say newspapers are great. After all, Murdoch honed his skills in print media first. Just that they are nowhere near as effective as online

A newspaper owner, William Randolph Hearst, once started a war with Spain.

Yes I know, that’s why I mentioned Murdoch. He honed his villainy in print, before moving to TV and internet.
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