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TikTok Owner Had 'Backdoor' for CCP Access to US Data, Lawsuit Alleges

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Re: TikTok Owner Had 'Backdoor' for CCP Access to US Data, Lawsuit Alleges

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FOX news and CNN don’t change what people think/how they vote?

Are you suggesting that FOX and CNN are good things? If it's possible, I'd say we should ban anything working in this way.

Yeah totally possible. We’re deciding this right here on this thread.

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Social media access to user data (whether foreign or domestic) is bad, but it is a distraction from the real evil: behavioral management at scale. When you can target specific demographics and control what they see 8-10 hours of the day, you can change what they think, say, do, and most importantly, how they vote. People are literally being programmed (euphemistically, "conditioned") by the specific triggers and stim…

FOX news and CNN don’t change what people think/how they vote?

But they're domestic companies whose staff members, all the way up to the owners and CEOs, are not under threat of disappearance by the totalitarian regime of a hostile state...

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post #107

Has anyone noticed that at least 99% of any "news", forum posts, etc. containing "CCP" are pure regurgitated political garbage? It cannot be just bots and psy ops. Real people do this sort of thing, too. Quite impressive how an entire population has been whipped into parroting this crap while pointing the finger. It wish it was funny but it isn't.

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Re: TikTok Owner Had 'Backdoor' for CCP Access to US Data, Lawsuit Alleges

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post #104

Social media access to user data (whether foreign or domestic) is bad, but it is a distraction from the real evil: behavioral management at scale. When you can target specific demographics and control what they see 8-10 hours of the day, you can change what they think, say, do, and most importantly, how they vote. People are literally being programmed (euphemistically, "conditioned") by the specific triggers and stim…

how does this differ from newspapers, books and the spoken word?

For newspapers, it was relatively easy to see and compare the content of the different papers side by side.

I am not sure how I would jump out of my social media news bubble.

Re: TikTok Owner Had 'Backdoor' for CCP Access to US Data, Lawsuit Alleges

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Social media access to user data (whether foreign or domestic) is bad, but it is a distraction from the real evil: behavioral management at scale. When you can target specific demographics and control what they see 8-10 hours of the day, you can change what they think, say, do, and most importantly, how they vote. People are literally being programmed (euphemistically, "conditioned") by the specific triggers and stim…

If you’re an adult watching TikTok 8-10 hours a day that’s on you to fix. When I was at my “peak”, I was watching 2-3 hours a day and that felt like a lot. If a kid is watching TikTok 8-10 hours a day, that’s on the parents to fix. This is like the hot dog man meme. “Who’s responsible for this?” Ultimately you are in control of your eyeballs and your time. Stop watching! Or not. TikTok is awesome. Watch it 8-10 hours…

> Ultimately you are in control of your eyeballs and your time. Stop watching!

There are people making hundreds of thousands of dollars whose sole job is to get you locked into a feedback loop in these apps. We are engineering addiction.

Re: TikTok Owner Had 'Backdoor' for CCP Access to US Data, Lawsuit Alleges

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post #78

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That's what goes into an honest appraisal of an attack surface: What's the value of gaining that data?

the value of china gaining that info is immeasurable. specifically, what im saying we are underestimating the amount and value of the data even this one example provides to china. That was just one search

"immeasurable"

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I think it's about knowing what people are interested in and having an algorithm that can control what people see and to try to nudge them to be more/less interested in certain things. Eugene Wei's article [0] helped me see how TikTok uses more of an interest graph, whereas many of the other platforms use more social graphs. By this, I think he means that TikTok cares much more about knowing what people are intereste…

can control what people see and to try to nudge them to be more/less interested in certain things. You mean like mainstream media has done for decades?

Sure, but it’s much more effective when the messaging is targeted to an individual (or, small cohort of similar individuals) based on their interests (known, at a granular level, because of what they watch for how long etc)

Mass media isn’t individualized in the same way

Re: TikTok Owner Had 'Backdoor' for CCP Access to US Data, Lawsuit Alleges

#119
I know there's a legitimate, serious discussion to be had here, but anecdotally all of my TikTok stream is cooking and memes.

I'm pretty sure that's based on my viewing habits, because I love cooking and memes, but it does make these serious claims humorous at times.

Re: TikTok Owner Had 'Backdoor' for CCP Access to US Data, Lawsuit Alleges

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post #66

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The US imprisons its ethnic minorities in inhumane camps that frequently result in death at a rate 17x that of China, per capita. The countries are way more alike than you think. Calling for more state censorship in the US brings them even more into alignment.

Do you actually believe this? It sounds like you are consuming far too much anti-American and pro-Chinese propaganda. The Chinese succeeding in their geopolitical goals is the suppression of the individual at scale. Extinguishing of the light. Collectivism looks good on paper but ultimately is high minded and has fatal flaws which resulted in horrible outcomes whenever tried. 100 million+ dead in the 20th century.

US incarceration and conviction rates based on race are commonly tabulated.
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