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Re: Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts

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Post by shjake »

alphanullmeric wrote: post #346
Convolutional wrote: post #185

I should point out to those not from the US that this is how Americans view the US. There is a lot of crime, the government and NGOs are on the side of the criminals etc. It is up voted to the top as well, with agreement in the replies, this is how Americans view the US. The US incarcerates more people than China, despite China having more than four times as many people, but the view obviously is the incarceration ra…

Think of the poor thieves. Stealing is a basic human right! Hopefully we can spread the word to looters across the country that the EU will welcome them with open arms.

I’m unaware of many places in the EU where it’s socially acceptable to walk into a store take a bunch of stuff and leave without paying and without the staff or the police doing anything about it…

Re: Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts

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Post by bavell »

EliRivers wrote: post #536
wing-_-nuts wrote: post #296

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I consider myself a liberal, but while I think pretty much all drug possession charges should be dropped and decriminalized, violent crime? Robbery? Those folks should absolutely be in jail. I don't care if we have to build tent cities to incarcerate them. You hurt someone intentionally, you should not be breathing free air for a while.

You hurt someone intentionally, you should not be breathing free air for a while. Genuine question; is that only physically? If I like causing people pain and anguish and suffering, and my weapon of choice is words, should I also be incarcerated because I hurt people intentionally? I tend towards not giving people a free pass simply because their weapon of choice is words, but (amongst other things) the US has a repu…

Agreed with the sibling comments, physical violence is an entirely different beast than verbal "violence".

Re: Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts

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Post by kevviiinn »

mindslight wrote: post #565
pb7 wrote: post #330

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I looked up "police state" and got this: >a totalitarian state controlled by a political police force that secretly supervises the citizens' activities Can you explain how the US is all of those things?

I thought GP was being ridiculous and hyperbolic when I first read their comment, but on second thought it's more technically correct than not. Regulating what substances people can use to affect their own bodies is totalitarian, as it presupposes a state/societal ownership interest of individuals' bodies. Mass surveillance plus parallel construction most certainly constitutes secret supervision. And any attempt to r…

The thing is that some people don't have the same experience with police leading them to believe that there is no issue with our current system, that's why you see such denial of the damage caused

Re: Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts

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Post by tzs »

Ekaros wrote: post #540
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #4

Imagine if a city sued homeowners because it’s their fault for calling the police after a break-in, because they used a deadbolt that failed the LockPickingLawyer. This is about equally as sane. Yes, yes, I know that Hyundai and Kia vehicles are easy pickings, but they talk as though “those vehicles are easy to steal, so those teenagers, they just felt so compelled to…” Nobody forces somebody to steal a car. If anti-…

Not the homeowners but the Master Lock. Which when hearing about quality of their products seems exactly same scenario. They do deserve to be sued in similar fashion for producing poor products. Like any pin and tumbler lock makers.

The key difference is that Master Lock is terrible in the same was as nearly every other lock in widespread use by homeowners. If break-ins by lock picking double in my city this year it won't be because an unusual number of people happened to pick Master Lock over Schlage when they were installing locks.

With Kia and Hyundai the cars involved are actually much worse than the comparable alternatives. Several cities are seeing a big increase in car thefts almost entirely due to more Kia and Hyundai thefts using methods that would not have worked on the 96% of cars in the US that have immobilizers.

Re: Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts

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Post by alphanullmeric »

shjake wrote: post #581
alphanullmeric wrote: post #346

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Think of the poor thieves. Stealing is a basic human right! Hopefully we can spread the word to looters across the country that the EU will welcome them with open arms.

I’m unaware of many places in the EU where it’s socially acceptable to walk into a store take a bunch of stuff and leave without paying and without the staff or the police doing anything about it…

I mean that many europeans do not believe in the right for a victim to defend their property, ie. if they get away they get away, whereas a robber’s choices in America when the victim is armed are to comply or be forced to. And if they are caught, EU police will stick them in a cosy waterfront prison to play with iPads and eat Michelin star food, probably costing the victim more in taxes then whatever was being stolen from them.

Re: Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts

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Post by giantg2 »

thephyber wrote: post #532
giantg2 wrote: post #434

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'it's only property, it's probably insured!' I wonder why insurance is so high...

I almost had to sit for a jury trial. Guy stole things worth less than $950, was likely homeless, the prosecution took 22 months to build a case and failed to leverage a plea bargain, named about 30 law enforcement officers and/or forensics specialists as potential witnesses, and jury selection started with 100 citizens and took 4+ days, then the judge claimed it would take 6 weeks to try the case. The problem isn’t…

"and is far more harmful to society than the actual crime."

I doubt the victims see it that way. If we just let people steal, it can turn into a runaway chain reaction due to a lack of consequences.

Re: Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts

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Post by loeg »

infamouscow wrote: post #300
carabiner wrote: post #224

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The US has very similar camps in the form of forced labor (i.e. slavery) by prisoners. These slaves have built products in the US that many of us have used, including clothes and office furniture. They make 63 cents per hour - make no mistake, they are slaves .

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> The US is a massive area of land with a variety of different regional geographic and cultural differences. You wouldn't go about describing Europe or an entire continent with equally broad strokes.

The 13th amendment is federal and applies everywhere in the US. Not every state takes full advantage of prison slave labor, sure, but it is legal everywhere, and some do.

Re: Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts

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Post by naijaboiler »

giantg2 wrote: post #586
thephyber wrote: post #532

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I almost had to sit for a jury trial. Guy stole things worth less than $950, was likely homeless, the prosecution took 22 months to build a case and failed to leverage a plea bargain, named about 30 law enforcement officers and/or forensics specialists as potential witnesses, and jury selection started with 100 citizens and took 4+ days, then the judge claimed it would take 6 weeks to try the case. The problem isn’t…

"and is far more harmful to society than the actual crime." I doubt the victims see it that way. If we just let people steal, it can turn into a runaway chain reaction due to a lack of consequences.

That's not how society works.

Re: Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts

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Post by naijaboiler »

EliRivers wrote: post #536
wing-_-nuts wrote: post #296

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I consider myself a liberal, but while I think pretty much all drug possession charges should be dropped and decriminalized, violent crime? Robbery? Those folks should absolutely be in jail. I don't care if we have to build tent cities to incarcerate them. You hurt someone intentionally, you should not be breathing free air for a while.

You hurt someone intentionally, you should not be breathing free air for a while. Genuine question; is that only physically? If I like causing people pain and anguish and suffering, and my weapon of choice is words, should I also be incarcerated because I hurt people intentionally? I tend towards not giving people a free pass simply because their weapon of choice is words, but (amongst other things) the US has a repu…

Or I'm a greedy or incompe exec taking silly risks and now people are out of a livelihood and are hurting because of my actions

Re: Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts

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Post by tomrod »

Georgelemental wrote: post #520
tomrod wrote: post #441

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I flew back from Baltimore yesterday. It's a great town. It's far, far from a failed city. I've been to failed cities. Baltimore isn't it. Are there things that could be improved? Sure. Roll up them sleeves.

You haven't seen much of the city, then. I live not far away, and functional cities do not have streets that look like what many of Baltimore's streets look like. And they don't have public schools were not a single student, out of hundreds, is meeting the minimum standards of proficiency

> functional cities do not have streets that look like what many of Baltimore's streets look like

You may be experiencing a bit of proximity bias. Roads all over the north east are torn up.

I'd argue the school district issue can be fixed, but it will take funding.

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