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Re: The Epic Stack

#91

Post by 0xblinq »

lucasyvas wrote: post #85
ponyous wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What advice is meme worthy? Can you be more specific? You are just saying it's not good, that you would not advise to follow him, etc... > The proliferation of his perspective has, quite literally, been a pain in my ass daily trying to re-teach misguided fundamentals Again can you give an example? I feel like he gives sound advice, but I just recently discovered him.

For one, Remix, actually. If you're "just trying to ship", the recommendation should probably be Rails, Django, or Next.js at this point. Flavour of the month technology is cool, but it's not mature enough to put in the "just ship it category." His preferences are always bleeding edge, hip things. And that's not the kind of stuff you build on when you want to buck up and ship an idea. It might be good stuff, but usin…

Some people’s preferences are just what they’re paid to prefer. And some people follow their recommendations blindly. So it works.

Re: The Epic Stack

#92

Post by 0xblinq »

norman784 wrote: post #52
lucasyvas wrote: post #33

Without fail, every article from Kent C. Dodds shows what appears to be total inexperience despite claims of the contrary. The advice is, at this point, almost meme worthy. There's an infamous post from 2021 (that he may have been roasted for here): https://kentcdodds.com/blog/how-i-built-a-modern-website-in-... Almost every single piece of advice is wildly overcomplicated and ridiculous. I do like some of the techno…

But the whole modern development it's a nightmare as I see, or at least the advertised modern serverless development, you need to depend on: - Some serverless hosting - Some database provider - Some auth provider - Some other service, etc In the past you just rented a simple VPS or shared hosting, setup all by yourself and have just one provider for everything, nowadays I read that auth it's very hard and you should…

We can still do that. It still works. You can still just use rails or Laravel and deploy to heroku. Or just a single php file.

The only reason we don’t do it anymore in the cases where that would be enough and instead overengineer everything is because others will look us down.

Re: The Epic Stack

#93

Post by 0xblinq »

jatins wrote: post #59
lucasyvas wrote: post #33

Without fail, every article from Kent C. Dodds shows what appears to be total inexperience despite claims of the contrary. The advice is, at this point, almost meme worthy. There's an infamous post from 2021 (that he may have been roasted for here): https://kentcdodds.com/blog/how-i-built-a-modern-website-in-... Almost every single piece of advice is wildly overcomplicated and ridiculous. I do like some of the techno…

I was convinced that he was going to sell this "Stack" for an exorbitant amount like some other Javascript influencers have done in the past. Thankfully this seems to be free at least.

Well, the more complex he makes things the more courses and consulting he’ll sell. It’s just marketing and his business model.

Re: The Epic Stack

#94

Post by 0xblinq »

jatins wrote: post #15

"It's time to just ship" Lists 10 tools to start with. Also, had the displeasure of using Prisma a while back. Extremely slow type generation, and complex to work with its client-server architecture. When your library requires a separate process you know you messed up. If you want to just ship, pick up Next.js, or whatever you already know and add dependencies when you need them. Let thought leaders thought lead.

> and add dependencies when you need them.

And that’s how you end with the 10 tools you started your comment with.

You can’t “just” start with next if you need authentication, translations, database acces, validations, csrf and other security protections, background jobs, permissions and a lot of other things that anything more complicated than a hello world will need.

If you want to just ship (anything more complicated than a landing page), start with Rails or Laravel.

Re: The Epic Stack

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Post by 0xblinq »

ZephyrBlu wrote: post #34

Kent seems like a nice guy, but every piece of his writing seems to be a massive beginner trap. Experienced developers are not setting up brand new projects like this because it's massive overkill at the jump, but newbie devs who don't know better might try to.

Well, the business is to sell courses and consulting once you make a mess. It’s understandable.

Re: The Epic Stack

#98

Post by themoonisachees »

0xblinq wrote: post #91
lucasyvas wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For one, Remix, actually. If you're "just trying to ship", the recommendation should probably be Rails, Django, or Next.js at this point. Flavour of the month technology is cool, but it's not mature enough to put in the "just ship it category." His preferences are always bleeding edge, hip things. And that's not the kind of stuff you build on when you want to buck up and ship an idea. It might be good stuff, but usin…

Some people’s preferences are just what they’re paid to prefer. And some people follow their recommendations blindly. So it works.

I don't think he's straight up paid to recommend this stuff, just that as a blogger he thinks that he has pressure to blog about the latest hip things, which he probably does because he tends to blog about the latest hip things and that is what his audience expects of him. He's not a developer, he is a content creator for developers and that is a big difference, especially in a world where développées don't tend to move quickly ( or else we'd be rewriting our stacks every month to follow that flavor)

Re: The Epic Stack

#99

Post by jlarky2012 »

replwoacause wrote: post #46
solatic wrote: post #4

I have mixed opinions seeing Tailwind on that list. If you're not a designer, it takes a non-trivial amount of time to add the utility classes you need to get something that looks passable. Quite simply, it gives you too much control over something that just doesn't matter for an MVP. There are great component libraries out there (I'm a fan of Chakra) that give you sane defaults so that you can get something off the…

I don’t use frameworks like React or Vue because my apps are small and mostly just for me, so I wish there were component libraries out there like Chakra that didn’t require npm, yarn, or some other package manager to install, and then a framework to use. I just want to slap a CDN link in my HEAD tag of my vanilla HTML page and start using class names to create components. Ideally, these components would have behavio…

it is possible! I've been playing with Astro and shoelace library downloaded from CDN for a use case like that.

Re: The Epic Stack

#100

Post by jlarky2012 »

jlarky2012 wrote: post #99
replwoacause wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t use frameworks like React or Vue because my apps are small and mostly just for me, so I wish there were component libraries out there like Chakra that didn’t require npm, yarn, or some other package manager to install, and then a framework to use. I just want to slap a CDN link in my HEAD tag of my vanilla HTML page and start using class names to create components. Ideally, these components would have behavio…

it is possible! I've been playing with Astro and shoelace library downloaded from CDN for a use case like that.

deployed version https://b2b-saaskit.vercel.app/setup source code https://github.com/fogbender/b2b-saaskit/blob/44ae552d6093a9...
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