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Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts

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Re: Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts

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I consider myself a liberal, but while I think pretty much all drug possession charges should be dropped and decriminalized, violent crime? Robbery? Those folks should absolutely be in jail. I don't care if we have to build tent cities to incarcerate them. You hurt someone intentionally, you should not be breathing free air for a while.

It should also be noted that locking people up puts them in contact with a bunch of convicted criminals. Making weed illegal put a bunch of otherwise harmless people in a situation where they wanted to do illegal business. The liberal position—don’t make relatively harmless stuff illegal—is one way to reduce the amount of crime. Sure, lock up people who do violent crimes (I mean, get them out of society while we try…

Having spent a considerable portion of my adult life imprisoned, I don't think the contact with other criminals increases a person's penchant for criminality. I think the incarceration itself does though by essentially fucking your entire life up and resetting you to a hard zero. And while you are inside you are not making any improvement to your life, e.g. skill building, improving your emotional intelligence; and in fact you are usually letting any skills you might have had stagnate and deteriorate beyond use.

Re: Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts

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Interestingly, isn't this exactly what happens when American tech companies get fined and/or are forced to implement certain regulations in Europe?

Are European regulations due to people stealing tech devices? I thought it was due to anti-consumer practices.

So making cars that lack basic anti-theft features common in other brands of cars doesn’t count as anti-consumer?

Re: Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts

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I should point out to those not from the US that this is how Americans view the US. There is a lot of crime, the government and NGOs are on the side of the criminals etc. It is up voted to the top as well, with agreement in the replies, this is how Americans view the US. The US incarcerates more people than China, despite China having more than four times as many people, but the view obviously is the incarceration ra…

A lot of commenters are on the parent post are of the opinion our American prison rates are high because of more criminal activity, which may be true, but I think it's also important to recall having a small prison population doesn't necessarily equal a just society. There were very few long term prisoners in medieval society, not because of a progressive outlook but because most crimes were punished with some form o…

No, there was almost no prison in medieval times because the bulk of crimes were punished with fines (good for the government) or expulsion from the area. Capital punishments were not as common as you imagine, and some forms, such as being pulled apart with horses, have become legendary yet were almost never used.

Re: Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts

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Kia should respond by integrating an automatic gun in the car that simply shoots anybody who approaches the car without the key. Maybe that will be acceptable to American sensibilities more than the notion of not stealing other's property.

That would truly be the most American response: consider the problems of local crime, regulatory capture, and simple error; discard them; and fire until Daffy's bill is backwards.

Re: Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts

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post #484

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interestingly, isn't this exactly what happens when American tech companies get fined and/or are forced to implement certain regulations in Europe?

Are European regulations due to people stealing tech devices? I thought it was due to anti-consumer practices.

Not including anti-theft devices that they include in other countries that mandate them is pretty anti-consumer. In this case, it's also extremely costly and dangerous unlike something like not saving website cookies.

Re: Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts

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The argument isn't comparing the manufacturers liability, but that of the people choosing to steal the cars in the first place - why is it relevant how easy the cars are to steal?

Because human nature is a bit more complex than "car thief or not."

Is it? Are there some kind of quasi car thieves?

Re: Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts

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The City of Baltimore has repeatedly demonstrated that they will do anything besides try to change the behavior of the population. It's a failed city, and luckily the model is being exported to places like SF, LA, and DC. Why should we punish people who repeatedly commit crime anyway? Fuck it, why do anything? Let's sue Kia instead, maybe we can get a payday

I flew back from Baltimore yesterday. It's a great town. It's far, far from a failed city. I've been to failed cities. Baltimore isn't it. Are there things that could be improved? Sure. Roll up them sleeves.

You haven't seen much of the city, then. I live not far away, and functional cities do not have streets that look like what many of Baltimore's streets look like. And they don't have public schools were not a single student, out of hundreds, is meeting the minimum standards of proficiency
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