In the event of early boot failure, the only recourse seems to be to abandon the process, and leave the Mac in DFU mode. I wonder what the official phrase behind "DFU" is?
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Re: Has Apple sounded the last POST?
#22In the event of early boot failure, the only recourse seems to be to abandon the process, and leave the Mac in DFU mode. I wonder what the official phrase behind "DFU" is?
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Re: Has Apple sounded the last POST?
#23In the event of early boot failure, the only recourse seems to be to abandon the process, and leave the Mac in DFU mode. I wonder what the official phrase behind "DFU" is?
"Device Firmware Upgrade"
Re: Has Apple sounded the last POST?
#24Apple has always chosen form over function, and this isn't any exception; the aesthetics of a "clean" boot process is clearly more important to them than being able to easily figure out what's happening, and I suspect at least part of the reason for this opaqueness is to encourage learned helplessness and visits to the Apple Store (which may result in upselling or otherwise exchange of $$$) when something doesn't wor…
> Apple has always chosen form over function
Having used an M1 MacBook Pro and iPad Pro I can't say I agree with you on this.
Apple silicon MacBook Pro's are incredible - powerful, long battery life, fan-less most of the time, they are the breath of fresh air and kick in the butt the laptop/pc industry out of the stale state it was in.
The iPad Pro is an impressive device for digital art and other creative applications, giving Adobe and Wacom a bit of much needed competition.
I know many small business owners who use iPhone due to its stability and ease of use out the box.
Apple have many issues but I feel they have an impressive lineup of computing products of which are very functional.
Re: Has Apple sounded the last POST?
#25Apple has always chosen form over function, and this isn't any exception; the aesthetics of a "clean" boot process is clearly more important to them than being able to easily figure out what's happening, and I suspect at least part of the reason for this opaqueness is to encourage learned helplessness and visits to the Apple Store (which may result in upselling or otherwise exchange of $$$) when something doesn't wor…
> Apple has always chosen form over function Having used an M1 MacBook Pro and iPad Pro I can't say I agree with you on this. Apple silicon MacBook Pro's are incredible - powerful, long battery life, fan-less most of the time, they are the breath of fresh air and kick in the butt the laptop/pc industry out of the stale state it was in. The iPad Pro is an impressive device for digital art and other creative applicatio…
the m1 macbook pro with the touch bar and usbc only, or the m1 macbook pro where apple went from that to a refresh of the 2012-15 design as a capitulation to years of complaints about form-over-function?
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#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Apple has always chosen form over function Having used an M1 MacBook Pro and iPad Pro I can't say I agree with you on this. Apple silicon MacBook Pro's are incredible - powerful, long battery life, fan-less most of the time, they are the breath of fresh air and kick in the butt the laptop/pc industry out of the stale state it was in. The iPad Pro is an impressive device for digital art and other creative applicatio…
the m1 macbook pro with the touch bar and usbc only, or the m1 macbook pro where apple went from that to a refresh of the 2012-15 design as a capitulation to years of complaints about form-over-function?
> m1 macbook pro with the touch bar and usbc only
I have one of these. Hands down the best laptop I've ever owned. Fast, quiet, and I literally had to check system settings again to confirm that it's close to three years old. (And I'm the guy who tosses it in a briefcase that inevitably falls off my carry-on at least three times per trip.)
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#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Apple has always chosen form over function Having used an M1 MacBook Pro and iPad Pro I can't say I agree with you on this. Apple silicon MacBook Pro's are incredible - powerful, long battery life, fan-less most of the time, they are the breath of fresh air and kick in the butt the laptop/pc industry out of the stale state it was in. The iPad Pro is an impressive device for digital art and other creative applicatio…
the m1 macbook pro with the touch bar and usbc only, or the m1 macbook pro where apple went from that to a refresh of the 2012-15 design as a capitulation to years of complaints about form-over-function?
You seem to be equating imperfection with complete failure.
That's a little under-nuanced for this forum.
If those Macs were really so flawed complaints would have died off as everyone migrated away from them. Instead, people loved them enough to put up with rough edges, while passionately posting their frustrations.
Re: Has Apple sounded the last POST?
#28Apple has always chosen form over function, and this isn't any exception; the aesthetics of a "clean" boot process is clearly more important to them than being able to easily figure out what's happening, and I suspect at least part of the reason for this opaqueness is to encourage learned helplessness and visits to the Apple Store (which may result in upselling or otherwise exchange of $$$) when something doesn't wor…
What diagnostics would even help an average user repair any issue that isn't resolved by a DFU revive?
Even for a PC all the POST failure guides don't have any branches that depend on what's happening or anything the screen says, it's all "well try jiggling things, reinstall Windows, update BIOS, and swap hardware components until it works"
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#29Apple has always chosen form over function, and this isn't any exception; the aesthetics of a "clean" boot process is clearly more important to them than being able to easily figure out what's happening, and I suspect at least part of the reason for this opaqueness is to encourage learned helplessness and visits to the Apple Store (which may result in upselling or otherwise exchange of $$$) when something doesn't wor…
I mean most BIOS I’ve seen for the past 20 years default to a graphical screen with no information, and only spit out a 2 letter code on failure.
Re: Has Apple sounded the last POST?
#30Apple has always chosen form over function, and this isn't any exception; the aesthetics of a "clean" boot process is clearly more important to them than being able to easily figure out what's happening, and I suspect at least part of the reason for this opaqueness is to encourage learned helplessness and visits to the Apple Store (which may result in upselling or otherwise exchange of $$$) when something doesn't wor…
I don’t think that this is from over function. It’s just not carrying over the entire legacy of the PC boot process. Eg when Sun came up with device tree, they were thinking about how to make high quality hardware, not how to have form-over-function mobile devices. I find I am less reassured the more I learn about the PC boot process.