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Happy Teacher's Appreciation Week to All the CS Teachers

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Re: Happy Teacher's Appreciation Week to All the CS Teachers

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Post by mattmanser »

MichaelAO wrote: post #4

Why are you afraid of privatization? The government monopoly hasn't exactly been stellar.

Go look at what privatization did to water and trains in the UK.

It's turned into absolute trash. Utter, absolute disaster. Everything privatized by the Tories has been a complete civic disaster.

Massive sewage discharges, foreign shareholders stripping assets with zero investment for the future, late trains, bad rolling stock.

A complete disaster. Like American healthcare.

Don't wish this shit on your worst enemies.

Anyone arguing otherwise is either a rich grifter trying to sponge from the public purse or a poor moron who's been convinced by the rich grifters to vote against their own best interest.

Capitalism does not work on utilities like schooling, healthcare, energy, water, public transportation, etc. at all. It's used as a way to strip public funds by corruption and bribery. Just like we know communist governments don't work, we also know privatising public services don't work.

Re: Happy Teacher's Appreciation Week to All the CS Teachers

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Post by Larrikin »

MichaelAO wrote: post #4

Why are you afraid of privatization? The government monopoly hasn't exactly been stellar.

Government services work just fine in other countries where there isn't one party that gets into power to make sure the service fails so they can pocket the tax money instead.

Re: Happy Teacher's Appreciation Week to All the CS Teachers

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Post by c8formal »

endisneigh wrote: post #10
c8formal wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Therefore we should not bother making things better?

I didn’t say that?

"Equality of opportunity" is the goal to aspire to. Of course we can only approach it, so your distinction does not make much sense to interject here.

Re: Happy Teacher's Appreciation Week to All the CS Teachers

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Post by endisneigh »

c8formal wrote: post #13
endisneigh wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn’t say that?

"Equality of opportunity" is the goal to aspire to. Of course we can only approach it, so your distinction does not make much sense to interject here.

Private schools and the equality of opportunity have no relation inherently. So I’m not sure what your point is.

Equality of opportunity is also an impossible thing to achieve.

Re: Happy Teacher's Appreciation Week to All the CS Teachers

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Post by alexdanilowicz »

endisneigh wrote: post #8

> I worry that most education in the U.S. will become privatized because budgets continue to be cut and good teachers decide to leave for other opportunities. Not sure why people say these things. Just like public schools, private schools have a variety of achievement levels and opportunity.

Oh certainly — I don't mean to undermine private schooling at all. (I happen to be the product of one.) I should have rephrased:

My worry is that schooling will become more and more expensive.

Re: Happy Teacher's Appreciation Week to All the CS Teachers

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Post by atomicnature »

Very thoughtful, and I agree 100%. Democracy depends heavily upon educated citizenry; getting students interested in learning something is the most important civilisational job. Quality of teachers sliding is an early indicator of a sinking civilisation.

I recently was musing about this myself and wrote a small essay about it: "Beyond GDP: Measuring the True Worth of a Civilization's People" [1]

[1]: https://journal.hexmos.com/beyond-gdp/

Re: Happy Teacher's Appreciation Week to All the CS Teachers

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Post by b20000 »

teachers are important and awesome and underpaid.

do they know that after that effort teaching kids CS in high school and college, and when their kids worked really hard to pass with flying colours, these kids have to endlessly grind leetcode and other bullshit timed coding tests to stay relevant and make a living?

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