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Re: Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts

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Post by Izikiel43 »

Convolutional wrote: post #185

I should point out to those not from the US that this is how Americans view the US. There is a lot of crime, the government and NGOs are on the side of the criminals etc. It is up voted to the top as well, with agreement in the replies, this is how Americans view the US. The US incarcerates more people than China, despite China having more than four times as many people, but the view obviously is the incarceration ra…

> the government and NGOs are on the side of the criminals

I lived in Vancouver in Canada, that is true there too, Seattle is the same (the CHAZ bs a couple years ago? 3rd avenue in Downtown?). Hell, in Argentina is also the same and that's south america. I think this is more a problem of places with left leaning politics which consider criminals victims of society which means that they can't be held responsible by their actions. Meanwhile, everyone else suffers.

Re: Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts

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Post by [deleted] »

itsoktocry wrote: post #24
hardware2win wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Consider reading the article The concerns are valid >Certain Kia or Hyundai models can be stolen using a screwdriver and a USB charging cord. >Cleveland, St. Louis and Seattle are among the other cities that started suing the the car companies earlier this year. Baltimore’s lawsuit says the companies “failed to keep up with industry standards,” and claim it was a result of business decisions made to reduce costs and…

> “Hyundai and Kia’s decision to put cost savings and profits over public safety has had significant consequences for Baltimore and its residents..." Hyundai has some of the safest , most efficient small cars on the road, for great prices. I'd say these things are a net positive to "public safety" over all.

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Re: Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts

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Post by linksnapzz »

plagiarist wrote: post #240
linksnapzz wrote: post #124

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That's not criminal, that's a tort. Baltimore, not being the customer, probably lacks standing.

And Baltimore is asserting they have standing regarding financial damages incurred from policing the thefts. If only there was some way to resolve whether the defendant or plaintiff is the correct party!

Hyundai should countersue the city, for having such a reprobrate populace that necessitates that manufacturers of durable goods implement increasingly elaborate and expensive antitheft schemes. "Maintaining a Nuisance", I think the term is.

Or perhaps they should have owners sign a release, promising not to operate or store the vehicle in any zip code that insurance companies deem high risk.

Re: Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts

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Post by prmoustache »

lowkey_ wrote: post #241
Convolutional wrote: post #185

I should point out to those not from the US that this is how Americans view the US. There is a lot of crime, the government and NGOs are on the side of the criminals etc. It is up voted to the top as well, with agreement in the replies, this is how Americans view the US. The US incarcerates more people than China, despite China having more than four times as many people, but the view obviously is the incarceration ra…

High incarceration rate makes sense when the US has a high crime rate. I don't understand why anyone thinks incarceration rate should not be correlated or would not be correlate to crime rate. Incarcerating criminals isn't the issue, having so many criminals is the issue.

Apparently incarceration and death penalty do not really work as a deterrent in this country.

Is it because most of the violent crimes are related to drug addiction?

Re: Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts

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Post by [deleted] »

local_crmdgeon wrote: post #143
ravensfan69 wrote: post #139

I live in Baltimore, in a pretty "good" part of town where most of the young professionals and Hopkins hospital staff live. I know 4 different people who've had cars stolen in the past 24 months. In 3 of these cases the perpetrators were teenagers, and in 2 of these cases they brandished guns. Only one of these thefts were Hyundai/Kia-related, and the thief punched my buddy in the face during the theft. Many others I…

Yeah, at some point in Chicago and Baltimore people figured out that career criminals vote, and will vote in their own interests. Very few people vote in local elections anyway, so they've managed to elect a ton of prosecutors who promise not to prosecute. Feels like the 70s in Urban America repeating itself. I feel bad for the older Black population in Baltimore. They busted ass for the last 50 years and they got to…

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Re: Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts

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Post by JPKab »

Convolutional wrote: post #185

I should point out to those not from the US that this is how Americans view the US. There is a lot of crime, the government and NGOs are on the side of the criminals etc. It is up voted to the top as well, with agreement in the replies, this is how Americans view the US. The US incarcerates more people than China, despite China having more than four times as many people, but the view obviously is the incarceration ra…

> So those outside the US can get insights into what the US is and how it thinks from threads like this.

No, everyone outside of your head can get insights into your willingness to cherrypick a single comment and extrapolate to fit your pessimistic, hyper-critical mental model.

It's also interesting how you talk about incarceration rates independently of crime rates, and act as if the US is prosecuting and incarcerating broad swathes of innocent people. For those of us who have had loved ones murdered or assaulted, or been mugged/beaten, we don't have the luxury of thinking of this in an abstract way fitting a bong rip session in a dorm room. Take off the Che Guevara t-shirt, take a walk outside, and realize that the world isn't a neat little theory straight from a professor being interviewed on Democracy Now!.

Re: Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts

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Post by op00to »

arein3 wrote: post #59
wslh wrote: post #10

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The article sounds like if you leave the door open you should assume anybody will enter and steal you. This is reversing the victim to the victimary. In a sexist way would be similar that you are being raped because you wear some specific clothes. Or you are hacked because you don't apply a patch.

People downvoting are so used to scummy people that they think it's the norm. In other societies crime is not normal, and "teenagers" have two braincells to understand that a thief is a repugnant person and that the consequences are not worth it.

I have seen teenagers break car windows in London, Brussels, Montreal, Newark NJ... I haven't been to Asia, but I guarantee teenagers do stupid shit there too. I'm not sure why you think teenagers have fully formed brains in other localities but somehow not in Baltimore.

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Post by Natsu »

Convolutional wrote: post #192
mlazos wrote: post #188

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I agree the US incarcerates too many people, does the comparison to China make sense? How can we trust their numbers especially when they disappear people.

Well don't trust China's numbers, and compare the US incarceration rate to those of any industrialized country's numbers that you do trust.

"Too many" doesn't mean much when you look at actual crime rates of serious things like murder and rape where most people don't want those people to be free to commit more crimes that are less susceptible to reporting bias.

Re: Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts

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Post by op00to »

typeofhuman wrote: post #221
linksnapzz wrote: post #137

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I notice that jewelers and goldsmiths in Riyadh have nowhere near the level of secure access controls, nor the type and amount of reinforced display cases that you see in Chicago or NYC. Likewise, I can leave a $4000 macbook on a table in a bar in the cheapest neighborhood in Saitama, and not have it walk off if I step outside for a smoke. Why do you suppose this is? What is happening there, that isn't happening in B…

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