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Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts

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Re: Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts

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Post by plagiarist »

lozenge wrote: post #201
Convolutional wrote: post #185

I should point out to those not from the US that this is how Americans view the US. There is a lot of crime, the government and NGOs are on the side of the criminals etc. It is up voted to the top as well, with agreement in the replies, this is how Americans view the US. The US incarcerates more people than China, despite China having more than four times as many people, but the view obviously is the incarceration ra…

You could have chosen from about 220 countries with a lower incarceration rate than the US, but because you said China, people are ignoring the substance of your comment. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarce...

Yeah, that's a weird comparison. But I doubt the people who are deliberately focusing on China instead of Europe would engage in an honest discussion about things even without it.

Re: Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts

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Post by Convolutional »

ravensfan69 wrote: post #199
Convolutional wrote: post #185

I should point out to those not from the US that this is how Americans view the US. There is a lot of crime, the government and NGOs are on the side of the criminals etc. It is up voted to the top as well, with agreement in the replies, this is how Americans view the US. The US incarcerates more people than China, despite China having more than four times as many people, but the view obviously is the incarceration ra…

It feels bizarre to make appeals to a foreign society with a history, culture, government, and demographics which are utterly alien to the situation in the west. We don't live in China. Are you so sure that our situation SHOULD be that of China that you'd be willing to risk you or a loved one being victimized by a violent thug? It always confused me that people would side with criminals over the innocent.

The massive incarceration rates in the US don't seem to be solving anything, although you don't think they're enough. The US has the highest incarceration rate in the industrialized world yet in your view it is barely incarcerating at all.

If China is too different, look at western Europe. England's incarceration rate is less than one third of the US's. Canada is on sixth of the US's. These countries have lower incarceration rates but less crime.

Re: Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts

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Post by stickfigure »

hoofhearted wrote: post #177
peoplearepeople wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No it's completely ridiculous that police think this is a car manufacturer issue. This is a failure of the police

It’s the only car manufacturer in the city with this problem, how is it the police’s fault? And P.S. the police in the city have been handing out steering wheel locks and educating affected owners, so I believe you are misinformed.

"You left your house unlocked? It's your fault"

"You dressed like that? It's your fault"

Re: Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts

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Post by plagiarist »

BurningFrog wrote: post #204
Convolutional wrote: post #185

I should point out to those not from the US that this is how Americans view the US. There is a lot of crime, the government and NGOs are on the side of the criminals etc. It is up voted to the top as well, with agreement in the replies, this is how Americans view the US. The US incarcerates more people than China, despite China having more than four times as many people, but the view obviously is the incarceration ra…

Locking up violent people and thieves is very popular among those outside the US! You're right about the comparatively huge US prison population, but the difference is NOT because other countries let violent people and thieves roam free!

That is a false dichotomy version of what they're suggesting. And what do you think is the difference?

Re: Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts

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Post by xdennis »

hoofhearted wrote: post #177
peoplearepeople wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No it's completely ridiculous that police think this is a car manufacturer issue. This is a failure of the police

It’s the only car manufacturer in the city with this problem, how is it the police’s fault? And P.S. the police in the city have been handing out steering wheel locks and educating affected owners, so I believe you are misinformed.

It's the government's fault for allowing criminals to run loose. It's their job to deal with criminals regardless of how capable the victims are to protect themselves.

When you see an Asian granny being beaten up you don't sue her for being so easy to beat up.

Re: Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts

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Post by local_crmdgeon »

hoofhearted wrote: post #180
macinjosh wrote: post #164

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Schwinn does nothing to stop bicycle thefts. Let’s sue them too!

Apples to oranges lol

How? Bikes are easier to steal and sell, and we don't see them being sued. The logic is the same.

Re: Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts

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Post by typeofhuman »

peoplearepeople wrote: post #167
hoofhearted wrote: post #160

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It’s a little early to be drinking isn’t it? The city is suing to recover the money they spent on all the police efforts expended because Kia cut corners to reduce costs.

No it's completely ridiculous that police think this is a car manufacturer issue. This is a failure of the police

Not the police. It's a failure of the courts. Prosecutors are simply not charging or reducing charges for these offenders. The police routinely arrest the same people over and over again - including for gun charges! But the courts let them out.

Case in point. A couple of teens stole a car, smashed it into another car, killed a 6mo old and put his mother in the hospital. The charges? Trespassing.

Re: Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts

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Post by local_crmdgeon »

pfannkuchen wrote: post #181
local_crmdgeon wrote: post #149

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This. The problem is that Baltimore treats crime as being separate from criminals. Almost all crime is committed by a tiny, tiny group of people - in NYC, 327 people commit 1/3rd of all shoplifting. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/15/nyregion/shoplifting-arre... We used to just warehouse people like this, and we stopped because that was mean and did not get us likes on Instagram.

There is a theoretical limit to the rate at which a society can digest unsocialized people, and this is affected by the exposed surface area of the clumps of unsocialized people. Where by “unsocialized” I mean with respect to that particular society - people in any society are “unsocialized” with respect to any other sufficiently separate society. We seem to have run into a case of serious indigestion. Traditionally…

I absolutely agree. I hate that "lock up criminals" has become a race-loaded statement, because in Baltimore (and in my neighborhood) the victims are Black/POC. This doesn't impact Becky on IG, it impacts the older people who spent their lives turning America's urban areas around.

It's really, really unjust.

Re: Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts

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Post by plagiarist »

stickfigure wrote: post #213
hoofhearted wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s the only car manufacturer in the city with this problem, how is it the police’s fault? And P.S. the police in the city have been handing out steering wheel locks and educating affected owners, so I believe you are misinformed.

"You left your house unlocked? It's your fault" "You dressed like that? It's your fault"

Sorry, just to get this clear, you are likening an argument over a manufacturer creating defective products with arguments that might come from a rapist's defense attorney?
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